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Re: 'Hey Number 17 '

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Post by pjmlp »

some_random wrote: post #38

I'm shocked that anyone here is confused as to why this is controversial, to use a popular twitter phrase they were completely "mask off" on what they intended their tech to be used for. The demo was for a garment manufacturing sweatshop in which they identified a slow employee, called him by a number, and humiliated him, stopping just short of recommending a "corrective action". This easily could have been spun in a…

Basically modern slavery, they were missing a whip robot there as well, and maybe a drum playing robot.

Re: 'Hey Number 17 '

#142

Post by cantrecallmypwd »

pjmlp wrote: post #141
some_random wrote: post #38

I'm shocked that anyone here is confused as to why this is controversial, to use a popular twitter phrase they were completely "mask off" on what they intended their tech to be used for. The demo was for a garment manufacturing sweatshop in which they identified a slow employee, called him by a number, and humiliated him, stopping just short of recommending a "corrective action". This easily could have been spun in a…

Basically modern slavery, they were missing a whip robot there as well, and maybe a drum playing robot.

Yup. Panopticon surveillance. It's near the end stage of technofedualism apart from replacing workers entirely with robots and AI. When all (defacto all/most) of the jobs are optimized away such that no one has skills businesses want, what then? Does Earth become a giant favela ruled by a dozen trillionaires with a tiny supporting bourgeoisie? At some point, the hoarding of money becomes absolutely pointless except to sustain the power and control of the many by a few evil people.

Re: 'Hey Number 17 '

#143

Post by thefz »

some_random wrote: post #38

I'm shocked that anyone here is confused as to why this is controversial, to use a popular twitter phrase they were completely "mask off" on what they intended their tech to be used for. The demo was for a garment manufacturing sweatshop in which they identified a slow employee, called him by a number, and humiliated him, stopping just short of recommending a "corrective action". This easily could have been spun in a…

> This easily could have been spun in a positive light,

Spin all you want, there's no sugarcoating this orwellian aberration

Re: 'Hey Number 17 '

#144

Post by bubblethink »

floren wrote: post #110

Read the title, thought it was a reference to The Prisoner Read the article and realized it wasn't. Thought about it some more and realized it was, just accidentally.

Missed opportunity. The actors use so many words when sending Rover to the underperforming worker would do the job.

Re: 'Hey Number 17 '

#145

Post by keiferski »

jrussino wrote: post #81
krunck wrote: post #61

"Optifye.ai, launched by Duke University computer science students Baid and Mohta, is backed by Y Combinator, according to the company’s site. On their Y Combinator company profile, they write that both of their families run manufacturing plants, where they’ve been exposed to factory working conditions since they were children. “I've been around assembly lines for as long as I can remember,” Baid wrote. Mohta wrote,…

> It's their turn to sit in the factory for 12 hour a day, 5+ days a week and have AI assisted asses badgering them all day. I'm reminded of this famous Jefferson quote: "I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give…

Great quote. It’s from Adams though - a perennially under appreciated president.

https://www.masshist.org/digitaladams/archive/doc?id=L178005...

Re: 'Hey Number 17 '

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Post by pjmlp »

cantrecallmypwd wrote: post #142
pjmlp wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically modern slavery, they were missing a whip robot there as well, and maybe a drum playing robot.

Yup. Panopticon surveillance. It's near the end stage of technofedualism apart from replacing workers entirely with robots and AI. When all (defacto all/most) of the jobs are optimized away such that no one has skills businesses want, what then? Does Earth become a giant favela ruled by a dozen trillionaires with a tiny supporting bourgeoisie? At some point, the hoarding of money becomes absolutely pointless except t…

That is the very reason I refuse to use any of those self checkouts that are now trending on supermarkets.

I am not their employee, neither do I want to contribute to a future where supermarkts turn into depots without any employees other than the folks that at 6 AM discharge their truck with the new supplies.

Doesn't matter how long I have to wait on the regular payment queue.

Re: 'Hey Number 17 '

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Post by pjmlp »

ryandrake wrote: post #99
mattgreenrocks wrote: post #45

I believe there's a bright future for software that enhances and amplifies our humanity in different ways. What form would that take? If I knew, I'd be working on it, but I sense a lot of opportunity in un-disenchanting technology for various demographics. As for this tech: it should die in a fire. If the creators read this, they should understand that they are potentially inventing the shackles that they themselves…

> If the creators read this, they should understand that they are potentially inventing the shackles that they themselves will be bound in (albeit later). I think a lot of techies are under the mistaken impression that when they're done building the society of Elysium , for some reason the billionaires are going to take them along to the space station to live with them.

The irony being that they will put themselves out of work instead.

Well most of us, when software development automation becomes good enough, we will be the new factory workers queuing for food tickets, while a few lucky ones get to be those in charge of the software factory.

Re: 'Hey Number 17 '

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Post by bmn__ »

cantrecallmypwd wrote: post #142
pjmlp wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically modern slavery, they were missing a whip robot there as well, and maybe a drum playing robot.

Yup. Panopticon surveillance. It's near the end stage of technofedualism apart from replacing workers entirely with robots and AI. When all (defacto all/most) of the jobs are optimized away such that no one has skills businesses want, what then? Does Earth become a giant favela ruled by a dozen trillionaires with a tiny supporting bourgeoisie? At some point, the hoarding of money becomes absolutely pointless except t…

> Does Earth become a giant favela ruled by a dozen trillionaires with a tiny supporting bourgeoisie?

Yes. SF author imagines it would be more efficient to concentrate the proles of into a small agglomeration of buildings. It's easier for the policebots to keep track of the economically worthless underclass that way, you see. https://marshallbrain.com/manna4#:~:text=terrafoam

Wouldn't you rather have an Earth where all of mankind shares in the fruits of automation of labour and everyone can live a blessed live? Read the last few chapters of the story.

Re: 'Hey Number 17 '

#149

Post by krapp »

imglorp wrote: post #31

We were told the machines would free us from repetitive or injurious work, letting us pursue more meaningful and prosperous lives. Or at least they would be our partners we could leverage. Instead, will they be the tools of our enslavement to The Man?

Many people, like the Luddites, saw through the con ages ago. But people will still parrot the lie that technology and automation (AI in the modern context) will free the working class to live lives of intellectual pursuit and leisure to this day, when the goal of both is the opposite.

Re: 'Hey Number 17 '

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Post by PTGreat »

krapp wrote: post #149
imglorp wrote: post #31

We were told the machines would free us from repetitive or injurious work, letting us pursue more meaningful and prosperous lives. Or at least they would be our partners we could leverage. Instead, will they be the tools of our enslavement to The Man?

Many people, like the Luddites, saw through the con ages ago. But people will still parrot the lie that technology and automation (AI in the modern context) will free the working class to live lives of intellectual pursuit and leisure to this day, when the goal of both is the opposite.

> Luddites

A group who, contrary to popular belief, were not 'anti-technology'.

The fact they campaigned for unemployment support and re-training for workers displaced by the new technologies probably makes the Luddites amongst the most forward thinking and progressive people of the industrial revolution!

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