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Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by phonon »

starkparker wrote: post #366
phonon wrote: post #332

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The two CPU models are i3-1215U and i5-1334U [1] which are 15 W parts with 2 P cores. They should be OK. [1] https://youtu.be/-lErGZZgUbY?t=729

The issue isn't TDP so much as performance-per-watt. The equivalent Ryzen 5 PRO 7540U can run at the same base TDP, had 2 full and four 4c cores on a smaller die, and outperformed the 1334U almost across the board. Both chips were Q1 '23, so the timing's not a great excuse. They were in HP's 2023 EliteBook G10 840 (1334U) and 845 (Ryzen 5 PRO 7540) laptops, and the 845 was better on both single- and especially multi-…

I would suppose they got a good deal on them, as they're a little out of date, but they're good enough, and overall provide a good package. If you're trying to hit a price point, there will always be compromises.

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Post by mistercheph »

tomnipotent wrote: post #189
yonatan8070 wrote: post #66

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I really want to get a Framework to replace my aging IdeaPad, but they don't ship to my region yet. I was planning on ordering the 7840U version to where I'm staying in a trip to the US, but now it feels a bit of a let down to order a last-gen model since the new one might not arrive in time for my trip in mid-April.

Have you considered looking into a personal freight forwarder? I used these a few times while traveling through Europe.

Be careful with this because framework will not warranty your product in any way, and given their size and age, there is a not insignificant chance you will experience a product defect or failure and have no recourse, love my framework but I experienced a mainboard bricking after a failed firmware update, which framework addressed under warranty. I would caution against buying without a warranty.

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Post by justahuman74 »

forevernoob wrote: post #167
coldpie wrote: post #22

Two other Framework announcements: New 12-inch laptop form factor with 360 degree hinge (ie "tablet mode") and a touchscreen. No price announced, but it is aimed at students: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/frameworks-laptop-12... New mainboard upgrade options for Framework 13 models: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/framework-gives-its-...

> ...the first Framework Laptop 12 motherboard is going to use Intel's 13th-generation Core i3 and i5 processors I _really_ hope they launch an AMD version (perhaps with an iGPU) soon after that. That and preferably with Libreboot support. This would make it the ideal portable laptop for me and thus I'd be able to (finally!) replace my X220T.

Libreboot would be amazing progress for moving open-source downwards in the stack.

It feels odd having a load of closed source EFI stuff and then putting linux on top of it. Sure linux injects a bunch of firmware into hardware later in the boot, but it's still progress

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Post by justahuman74 »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #208
coldpie wrote: post #22

Two other Framework announcements: New 12-inch laptop form factor with 360 degree hinge (ie "tablet mode") and a touchscreen. No price announced, but it is aimed at students: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/frameworks-laptop-12... New mainboard upgrade options for Framework 13 models: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/framework-gives-its-...

I don’t quite get why framework focuses so much on Intel and AMD. ARM laptops are in the rise, and don’t need active cooling. It’s hard for me to think of upgrading to another laptop with fans when so many fanless (I.e.: silent) options are available.

The problem is with ARM itself, who is trying to drown out the other licensees in the space, but then can't deliver a good enough product.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

yellowapple wrote: post #174

I like the case. Nice and compact, and the swappable tiles are cute. If the case works well with non-Framework Mini-ITX motherboards I'd be tempted to pick one up. The innards, however, are disappointing: - I get the explanation for why soldered RAM was necessary, but that's still pretty darn close to a dealbreaker for me; I'm inclined to wait for a future motherboard revision without that limitation - Only two Expan…

Article says there are six ports on the back, in which case you won't need expansion cards back there, as they'd be less space efficient.

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Post by elxr »

65 wrote: post #324
yellowapple wrote: post #182

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Why would you want haptic trackpads? Having used modern Macbook trackpads they feel like a massive downgrade compared to either of my Frameworks. The vibration-based simulation of haptics feels uncanny and unsatisfying compared to the real deal.

Why would you want a diving board trackpad? Every single non haptic trackpad I've tried always sucks, requiring excessive force to press a button, particularly if you're not on the very bottom of the doving board mechanism of the trackpad.

With diving board trackpads, I usually just tap to click.

Physically pressing down a diving board is just asking for frustration. Sometimes I miss the separate left, right, and middle click buttons under the trackpad like the old days.

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Post by fragmede »

tomnipotent wrote: post #236
fragmede wrote: post #211

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I presume that my core values, which I might know just a teeny tiny bit, align with what the corporation has stated as their values. But at the end of the day, the"core values" of a corporation are just some words on a webpage on the journey to more profit and I mean, hey, I like money too, so it's not like I can really fault them for pivoting.

This is literally the same product they've been selling with just one more component soldered on (memory). I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a "pivot".

you're right, it is just one component, but please tell me, how many computers have you used that have no RAM?

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Post by elxr »

zamadatix wrote: post #285
danielEM wrote: post #257

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That is not a framework choice, that is an AMD architecture that doesn't use regular RAM modules as it requires wider data bus

The statement above is that one would expect Framework to have chosen a platform which does not require soldered RAM, not that Framework kept such an option by choosing this AMD part. All that aside, I absolutely can't wait for desktops to decide to go the same route of having 4 memory channels instead of 2. Right now the only way to have >2 channels is to buy workstation/server class stuff or an APU.

But think of it this way, anybody who specifically wants this chip (Ryzen strix halo) now has a way to buy it in a somewhat modular platform.
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