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Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

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This: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/19/donald-trump-king-i... doesn’t really sound like democracy.

Democracy is not about what he does. It's all about how he comes to power. In 4 years the people will vote again.

Democracy isn't what you are, it's something you do. (Timothy Snyder's directly applicable talk on democracy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY6LCOJbve8)

If you vote, but your votes don't matter, you aren't a democracy. You are a democracy when your votes meaningfully influence policy. In that sense, we aren't even a democracy right now.

It's worth considering that Russia has elections too. They aren't meaningful for many reasons. Real opposition candidates might be assassinated, or a candidate might be run with the same name to confuse voters, etc.

Gerrymandering and unlimited campaign contributions are prime example's of how "It's all about how he comes to power" is correct, but your conclusion is flawed.

Voting doesn't make you a democracy. Voting can be ritualized. Voting can be a form of cargo-culting (Feynman speech worth reading): https://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/CargoCult.htm

  "In the South Seas there is a Cargo Cult of people.  During the war they 
  saw airplanes land with lots of good materials, and they want the same 
  thing to happen now.  So they’ve arranged to make things like runways, 
  to put fires along the sides of the runways, to make a wooden hut for a 
  man to sit in, with two wooden pieces on his head like headphones and 
  bars of bamboo sticking out like antennas—he’s the controller—and they 
  wait for the airplanes to land.  They’re doing everything right.  The 
  form is perfect.  It looks exactly the way it looked before.  But it 
  doesn’t work.  No airplanes land.  So I call these things Cargo Cult 
  Science, because they follow all the apparent precepts and forms of 
  scientific investigation, but they’re missing something essential, 
  because the planes don’t land."
America follows the apparent precepts and forms of democracy, but we are missing something essential because votes don't influence policy.

There is much more to the idea of democracy than voting.

Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

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> "No Capacity for New Commitments State Faces Annual Multiyear Deficits of Around $20b" [1] The budget of California is $320B. This is more than the _entire_ discretionary budget of the US. > "Ric Grenell, a Trump ally serving as his envoy for special missions, said Friday that “there will be conditions” to any federal aid for the state. Yeah, these are public statements. I expect that there's frantic back-room deal…

> Yeah, these are public statements. I expect that there's frantic back-room dealing right now to make sure that the relief funds are not attached to any conditions. Because in the long-term, that will benefit the states that have money. I hope so but it also seems people keep thinking Republicans/Trump won't step over a line but end up doing it >The budget of California is $320B. This is more than the _entire_ discr…

> I hope so but it also seems people keep thinking Republicans/Trump won't step over a line but end up doing it

I'm sure they'll try. But I'm also sure that this practice of using relief funds as for political pressure won't stick, exactly because money is power.

> It's 1.7T https://www.cbo.gov/publication/most-recent/graphics

Thanks! I meant it in a bit different way: not Defense related, not International Affairs, and not law-enforcement/justice related. By my count, that's $330B.

Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

#533
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But was that malice, or stupidity? Do you think they disbanded pandemic prep because they wanted people to die in a pandemic? It seems much more likely that they were too stupid to realize that being unprepared for a pandemic is way more costly than being prepared for one. There's certainly a lot of malice: asking for names of FBI agents who worked on Jan 6 cases, and in putting Tulsi Gabbard over the CIA, refusing t…

It doesn't really matter what their intent is when the result is the same. Also... > Do you think they disbanded pandemic prep because they wanted people to die in a pandemic Are you familiar with the term reckless?

> It doesn't really matter what their intent is when the result is the same.

I mean, yeah, people die regardless of the motive. There's some saying about how boys may throw rocks in jest, but the frogs die in earnest. That's why it's important that people in power try to be careful not to kill people, and why it's important to elect people who are careful and try not to kill people.

But somewhere up the thread, someone said "I'm beginning to think it's malicious and not stupid". If that matters to you, then it matters.

> Are you familiar with the term reckless?

Are they culpable for their decision? Absolutely. The Hebrew word in the Bible translated "foolish" doesn't actually denote a lack of raw brainpower, but a certain kind of flaw in moral character. You can be both intelligent and foolish, just as you can have below-average brainpower and be wise.

But foolish is not malicious. Malice means you intend evil; foolish means you willingly ignored reality to your own detriment. I don't think Trump wanted people to die; he just found the necessity of spending money for pandemic planning inconvenient, and so ignored it.

Packing the top military with loyalists? He certainly intends evil there.

Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

#534
post #59

Interesting approach to competing with China on wireless technology. I would have thought the US having a competitive edge over China in terms of research and development would be important to Republicans.

The federal govt can’t be the majority of technological innovation. If we’re lucky this vacuum will be filled by an even larger private sector innovation hub like Xerox park and bell labs.

> If we’re lucky this vacuum will be filled by an even larger private sector innovation hub like Xerox park and bell labs.

Why would they do that when stock buybacks are more profitable for shareholders?

Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

#535

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> Yeah, these are public statements. I expect that there's frantic back-room dealing right now to make sure that the relief funds are not attached to any conditions. Because in the long-term, that will benefit the states that have money. I hope so but it also seems people keep thinking Republicans/Trump won't step over a line but end up doing it >The budget of California is $320B. This is more than the _entire_ discr…

> I hope so but it also seems people keep thinking Republicans/Trump won't step over a line but end up doing it I'm sure they'll try. But I'm also sure that this practice of using relief funds as for political pressure won't stick, exactly because money is power. > It's 1.7T https://www.cbo.gov/publication/most-recent/graphics Thanks! I meant it in a bit different way: not Defense related, not International Affairs,…

And did you use the same exceptions to calculate the CA budget?

Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

#536
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post #60

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You don't believe that, or you would have moved to be out from under this ultimate tyranny. Somalia, perhaps. Your argument is the classic Randist Libertarian one: "There is no such thing as society, everything I did I earned myself with no reference to anyone." It is, of course, complete and utter garbage. Government spending is the only known way of constructing projects that are not attractive money-makers: rural…

This violates consent, though. Consent matters, regardless of how much handwaving occurs after people choose to violate it. The other such places you describe also violate consent. Same criminal acts: coercion by violence. I do indeed believe in the things I have said, and I have indeed emigrated from the United States for many such reasons, principally among them my objection to being forced to fund neverending war.…

The tragedy of the commons... Telling any particular fisherman not to fish the fish to extinction also violates their consent.

Coercion is necessary for governance and you wouldn't want to live in a world without it. The Thief who steals money with a knife doesn't consent to jail time. If the government doesn't levy taxes to pay for policing, then there is no way to punish the theif for violation of the victims consent.

Your unthought out opinion is a position of privilege, not one of reason or sanity.

That doesn't even broach the topic of a child being born into poverty or slavery.

Without a military force, funded by taxes, to defend against neighboring slavers your notion of consent doesn't matter in the first place. That's the fundamental contradiction of anarchy.

Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

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post #402

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Congress passed laws allocating the spending. That by definition is consent.

They did this without my involvement. Furthermore, the amendment that they claim permits them to steal your money was ratified by representatives who were elected by no people alive today. The current population had no say whatsoever in these laws. They were born into it like being born into slavery. There is no “unsubscribe”.

You want all laws to be renewed each generation? Fine, how do you set the renewal date? What about the transition from one law to another? My point is there will always be someone that is subject to a law that was passed prior to them being of the age of consent for a particular law. No serious political theory defines the legitimacy of a law by 100% explicit consent by the governed. Instead the consent given is a broad transfer of the right to govern generally. That’s all that is necessary. I don’t need to consent to everything the police do to protect public safety if I have consented to their general mission.

Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

#538
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When legal and predictable processes are undermined no one can rely on the government being a good actor. A good reputation takes generations to establish and seconds to destroy. No one will trust the government now.

> When legal and predictable processes are undermined ... Being legally undermined is hardly a bad thing. We voted for unified Republican control of both branches of the legislator and the POTUS. You might not like the outcomes, but there's nothing illegal about what the executive branch is doing, how it's doig it, or the legislation that Congress will be passing in the coming months. > ... no one can rely on the gov…

But this isn’t legal. Doge is not a validly created department because it wasn’t created by congress. Elon musk was appointed by the president after congressional advise and consent. The termination has violated employment law pass by congress specifically to shield the federal employees from partisan attacks and influence. The fact that the federal bureaucracy has been a non-partisan professional workforce has been on of the greatest strengths in the world. What musk and trump are doing will introduce corruption in government by turning it into a spoil system. They are making new hires swear allegiance to trump directly not the constitution. Also not legal. And when they’ve lost in court they have actively defied the rulings. Oh and that’s after lying about the fact that Elon’s running things to make their position more favorable. Shall I go on?

Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

#539

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It’s not far away from dying. I would argue that it’s already too late. The trump administration has shown that it can seize the power to control spending which is constitutionally an exclusive power if congress and courts can’t and won’t do anything about it. We are past a constitutional crisis, republicans had a theory of a unitary executive and prove they can stream roll other branches. Now trump and others are ta…

The US spent the last hundred years shifting power from congress to the president, because nobody in congress wanted the blame for any decisions and be either primaried, or lose the election. Trump isn't seizing power, he's just using the power voluntarily given to him. American democracy wasn't ended by a revolution, it was ended by lawfully elected cowards.

No. He is seizing it explicitly as laid out in project 2025. There is an explicit theory of a unitary executive that they say give him power. But they also mapped out the levers of power, control and possible resistance and are systematically and aggressively going after them. I would also point out that the American people didn’t vote for this because trump explicitly denied he would follow project 2025, and yet is implementing every detail down to the letter.

Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

#540
post #507

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The "deep state" is also used to refer to the relatively small number of unelected people who make some of the most impactful decisions on society with no voter input. I don't know that I've ever actually heard someone talk about the "deep state" to refer to career bureaucrats just doing their jobs in large government orgs / a messy system.

Do you have any examples of people you think do that?

Oh I'm not directly making the case that a "deep state" exists, I was just surprised by the way the earlier comment was using the term.
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