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Re: Forum with 2.6M posts being deleted due to UK Online Safety Act

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Post by rjbwork »

_fjg8 wrote: post #78
MassiveQuasar wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have read every post, every article, every piece of guidance. Prove it. I’m asking for specifics, not hand waving.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/illegal-and-harmful-c... Last month. “ We’ve heard concerns from some smaller services that the new rules will be too burdensome for them. Some of them believe they don’t have the resources to dedicate to assessing risk on their platforms, and to making sure they have measures in place to help them comply with the rules. As a result, some smaller services feel they might need to…

It's right there in your post.

>they will only be expected to have basic but important measures to remove illegal content when they become aware of it. These include:

>easy-to-find, understandable terms and conditions; a complaints tool that allows users to report illegal or harmful material when they see it, backed up by a process to deal with those complaints; the ability to review content and take it down quickly if they have reason to believe it is illegal; and a specific individual responsible for compliance, who we can contact if we need to.”

Re: Forum with 2.6M posts being deleted due to UK Online Safety Act

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Post by mschuster91 »

_fjg8 wrote: post #42
nickdothutton wrote: post #28

Anyone* would be crazy to run a UK-based or somewhat UK-centric forum today. Whether it be for a hobby, profession, or just social interaction. The government doesn’t perceive these sites as having any value (they don't employ people or generate corporation tax). [*] Unless you are a multibillion $ company with an army of moderators, compliance people, lawyers.

The opposite is true. The new law makes it considerably more risky for large companies because the law is specifically designed to hold them to account for conduct on their platforms. The (perceived) risk for small websites is unintended and the requirements are very achievable for small websites. The law is intended for and will be used to eviscerate Facebook etc. for their wrongs. We are far more likely to see Face…

> A small website operator can keep child pornography off their platform with ease. Facebook have a mountain to climb — regardless of their resources.

Facebook can actually train AI to detect CSAM, and is probably already doing so in cooperation with NCMEC and similar organisations/authorities across the world.

Your average small website? No chance. Obtaining training material actively is seriously illegal everywhere, and keeping material that others upload is just as bad in most jurisdictions.

The big guys get the toys, the small guys have to worry all the goddamn time if some pedos are going to use their forum or whatnot.

Re: Forum with 2.6M posts being deleted due to UK Online Safety Act

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Post by jonatron »

stonogo wrote: post #61

Heavily editorialized headline here. Just as accurate: "Forum with 2.6M posts being deleted due to insufficient moderation"

It already has moderators. But they'd need to know the details about the 17 types of illegal harm too. And someone would have to submit a yearly risk assessment and contact information to the regulator. And there's a children's access assessment. And there'd need to be a complaints procedure. Oh and a children's risk assessment. Plus whatever else is contained within the hundreds or thousands of pages of guidance.

Re: Forum with 2.6M posts being deleted due to UK Online Safety Act

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Post by mschuster91 »

staticautomatic wrote: post #65
rich_sasha wrote: post #59

It's awkward. It's clear this law affects terribly bona fide grassroots online communities. I hope HN doesn't start geoblocking the UK away! But then online hate and radicalization really is a thing. What do you do about it? Facebook seems overflowing with it, and their moderators can't keep up with the flow, nor can their mental health keep up. So it's real and it's going to surface somewhere. At some level, I think…

Hate and radicalization are products of existential purposelessness. You can’t make them go away by preventing existentially purposeless people from talking to each other.

> You can’t make them go away by preventing existentially purposeless people from talking to each other.

At least you can limit the speed of radicalization. Every village used to have their village loon, he was known and ignored to ridiculed. But now all the loons talk to each other and constantly reinforce their bullshit, and on top of that they begin to draw in the normies.

Re: Forum with 2.6M posts being deleted due to UK Online Safety Act

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Post by aimazon »

rjbwork wrote: post #91
_fjg8 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/illegal-and-harmful-c... Last month. “ We’ve heard concerns from some smaller services that the new rules will be too burdensome for them. Some of them believe they don’t have the resources to dedicate to assessing risk on their platforms, and to making sure they have measures in place to help them comply with the rules. As a result, some smaller services feel they might need to…

It's right there in your post. >they will only be expected to have basic but important measures to remove illegal content when they become aware of it. These include: >easy-to-find, understandable terms and conditions; a complaints tool that allows users to report illegal or harmful material when they see it, backed up by a process to deal with those complaints; the ability to review content and take it down quickly…

All of those things are buttons to click and ship with every piece of forum software from the last decade. No forum can survive without moderation because of spam so these tools and policies will already be in place on every website with user generated content.

Re: Forum with 2.6M posts being deleted due to UK Online Safety Act

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Post by anigbrowl »

massifgreat wrote: post #11

These UK laws might boost Tor usage.. let's hope something good will come from the full censorship political tyranny in Europe.

The UK is not in Europe, which would otherwise impose human rights legal constraints on UK government legislation.

Re: Forum with 2.6M posts being deleted due to UK Online Safety Act

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Post by DarkmSparks »

nickdothutton wrote: post #28

Anyone* would be crazy to run a UK-based or somewhat UK-centric forum today. Whether it be for a hobby, profession, or just social interaction. The government doesn’t perceive these sites as having any value (they don't employ people or generate corporation tax). [*] Unless you are a multibillion $ company with an army of moderators, compliance people, lawyers.

more than just forums, it's basically a failed state now. I knew when I left (I was the last of my school year to do so) it was going to get bad once Elizabeth died, and that would be soon, but I never imagined it would get this bad.

The plan for April is to remove the need for police to obtain a warrant to search peoples homes - that bad.

I'd say "there will be blood on the streets", but there already is...

This video pretty much sums up what the UK is now. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zzstEpSeuwU

Re: Forum with 2.6M posts being deleted due to UK Online Safety Act

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Post by x0x0 »

_fjg8 wrote: post #78
MassiveQuasar wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have read every post, every article, every piece of guidance. Prove it. I’m asking for specifics, not hand waving.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/illegal-and-harmful-c... Last month. “ We’ve heard concerns from some smaller services that the new rules will be too burdensome for them. Some of them believe they don’t have the resources to dedicate to assessing risk on their platforms, and to making sure they have measures in place to help them comply with the rules. As a result, some smaller services feel they might need to…

"We pinky swear to totes not enforce the law as written [unless and until we decide, with no notice or warning, to do so] up to and including criminal penalties". Not as reassuring as you claim it to be.

Re: Forum with 2.6M posts being deleted due to UK Online Safety Act

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Post by thorncorona »

rich_sasha wrote: post #84
observationist wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't. "Hate speech" is code for "the government knows better and controls what you say." Yes, racism exists and people say hateful things. Hate speech is in the interpretation. The US has it right with the first amendment - you have to be egregiously over the line for speech to be illegal, and in all sorts of cases there are exceptions and it's almost always a case-by-case determination. Hateful things said by p…

I see no reason why hate speech should be given the benefit of the doubt. And no, it's not because my government told me so, I have my own opinion, which is that freedom of speech ends where threats of violence appear. If you don't want it tolerated online, which I don't, you need some kind of legal statement saying so. Like a law that says, you can't do it, and websites can't just shrug their shoulders and say it's…

What defines hate speech? Who defines hate speech? Does hate speech result from the speech or the actions of those against the speech? Should the speech of protestors have consequences for disturbing the peace? What consequences should the state force onto individuals for speech, or actors affected by speech?

Americans for lack of a better description grapple with violence of the state differently than Europeans, but it seems neither are without consequence.

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