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“The closer to the train station, the worse the kebab” – a “study”

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Post by TeMPOraL »

s0fasurfa wrote: post #296
vanderZwan wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this is a nice selection of European cities to compare! Having lived in Berlin and Stockholm (and a few other cities), I'd say Stockholm has by far the worst kebab options of all places I've lived, while Berlin was the best one. I'm curious whether this is reflected in local reviews, or whether the locals just lower or heighten their standards based on the what the average food quality is like.

Berlin shouldn't be a surprise, because the Kebap Sandwich was invented here (at least according to some sources: https://berlinexperiences.com/was-the-doner-kebab-invented-i... ) Before that, Kebap was a dish served on a plate, taken in a seated manner.

The article itself gives a negative verdict on this:

  Verdict
  NO
  
  The Döner Kebab was not invented in Berlin.
  
  Popularised here? Ok.
  But there are no participation trophies for that.
And they're correct. After all, you have not experienced döner kebap until you have tasted the original Klingon jIrtaH ghab.

Re: “The closer to the train station, the worse the kebab” – a “study”

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Post by auselen »

skrebbel wrote: post #257
jillesvangurp wrote: post #246

Here in Berlin there are an enormous amount of kebab places (thousands). Basically, most places are embedded in neighborhoods and have a crowd of locals that go there. The quality varies wildly as a lot of these places are obviously aimed at the money laundering business (cash only) rather than serving food. Poor hygiene, indifferent service, etc. Many of these places are completely pointless from a business point of…

Pardon my ignorance, but I always wonder how these money laundering kebab places work. We have some in my city too and they always leave me puzzled. If nobody eats there, how do they launder money? I'm probably daft/naieve but can't figure out the mechanics of money laundering when the business doesn't actually move any product.

I think there is some exaggeration

> obviously aimed at the money laundering business

Places also provide facade to some social networks. They can keep relatives having a job, can act like a store front for doing whatever deal.

I accept they don’t survive by just serving food, but some of it basically just bad business or some guys to have a legit place for other activities.

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Post by drpixie »

JmsPae wrote: post #86

Hi there, "OP" here. First off, it's been fun to see this post spread across the interwebs since I first wrote it one caffeine-fueled day just over a week ago (first Menéame, now here) and for the heck of it, I thought I would clarify a few things; This post was (sortof) a meme. Sure, I "understood the assignment" and performed the quick "study" ("analysis" might be more fitting) for the sake of the original post ove…

Paris is a special case - you've got a great metro and everywhere is close to a station :)

Perhaps distance to a non-metro station (eg a TER "mainline" station like Gare du Nord) would give more representative results?

I wait with interest.

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Post by larodi »

JmsPae wrote: post #86

Hi there, "OP" here. First off, it's been fun to see this post spread across the interwebs since I first wrote it one caffeine-fueled day just over a week ago (first Menéame, now here) and for the heck of it, I thought I would clarify a few things; This post was (sortof) a meme. Sure, I "understood the assignment" and performed the quick "study" ("analysis" might be more fitting) for the sake of the original post ove…

I’d love to see more spatial sql applied. As a side effect tbh your code may get shorter. Even though R and Python are type go-to langs for ML, it is SQL which excels at spatial analysis.

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Post by aqme28 »

jajko wrote: post #276
thaumasiotes wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you gamble tens of thousands in those machines, and you don't care about the losses, you get a reasonable expectation value back out as laundered winnings. Where does the laundering come into it? If the machine pays out in cash and you just walk away with it, you've gone from having a big pile of dirty money to having a slightly smaller pile of dirty money. You could declare that the smaller pile is all gambling…

You are overthinking all this. This is not Al Capone investigation, tax offices are understaffed and petty negligence or even crime happens with tax returns very frequently. You think taxmen are going to investigate endless hours of video feed from some casino via court order for some 10k win claimed in taxes? Not sure if casinos even keep all video feeds for say 3 years since it takes time to actually file and proce…

Hell, even someone like Dan Bilzerian basically openly laundered tens of millions via “private poker games” and he’s never going to be charged for it.

Re: “The closer to the train station, the worse the kebab” – a “study”

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Post by aqme28 »

jclulow wrote: post #262
skrebbel wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pardon my ignorance, but I always wonder how these money laundering kebab places work. We have some in my city too and they always leave me puzzled. If nobody eats there, how do they launder money? I'm probably daft/naieve but can't figure out the mechanics of money laundering when the business doesn't actually move any product.

The point is generally to recover cents on the dollar from money you can't otherwise use. Imagine you have a network of people moving illegal drugs. They collect money from their customers, and they need to pay it to you, the supplier. Arrange for them to eat a lot of food at your restaurant. Maybe they shout their friends. The money goes into the restaurant, and is mingled with other money. That money is used to pay…

You don’t need them to eat kebab. Just put on your books that you sold a lot of kebab. Do it in cash. Buy some meat and throw it out if you want, and you’re fine.

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Post by tecleandor »

jajko wrote: post #276
thaumasiotes wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you gamble tens of thousands in those machines, and you don't care about the losses, you get a reasonable expectation value back out as laundered winnings. Where does the laundering come into it? If the machine pays out in cash and you just walk away with it, you've gone from having a big pile of dirty money to having a slightly smaller pile of dirty money. You could declare that the smaller pile is all gambling…

You are overthinking all this. This is not Al Capone investigation, tax offices are understaffed and petty negligence or even crime happens with tax returns very frequently. You think taxmen are going to investigate endless hours of video feed from some casino via court order for some 10k win claimed in taxes? Not sure if casinos even keep all video feeds for say 3 years since it takes time to actually file and proce…

Yep. A classic movement (at least on Spain) is buying winning lottery tickets.

You locate people that have winning tickets and offer them certain percent of money over the prize value. For example, if it's a 10K prize, you offer 12 or 13K. The ticket owner gets dirty money and avoids paying taxes on the prize (so they get 40 or 50% more than they would have got with the ticket). The other side gets clean money.

When dirty politicians get audited they find how "lucky" they are, having won lottery tens of times in a couple years or three. What an statistic oddity, huh? ;)

https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2015/12/21/inenglish/14506...

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Post by mda »

s0fasurfa wrote: post #296
vanderZwan wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this is a nice selection of European cities to compare! Having lived in Berlin and Stockholm (and a few other cities), I'd say Stockholm has by far the worst kebab options of all places I've lived, while Berlin was the best one. I'm curious whether this is reflected in local reviews, or whether the locals just lower or heighten their standards based on the what the average food quality is like.

Berlin shouldn't be a surprise, because the Kebap Sandwich was invented here (at least according to some sources: https://berlinexperiences.com/was-the-doner-kebab-invented-i... ) Before that, Kebap was a dish served on a plate, taken in a seated manner.

Doner kebap was invented in Ottoman empire in 19th century. It was also usually eaten inside bread.

Turkish immigrants introduced it in Germany in 70's. However it is true that the current version of Doner kebap in Germany is quite different than Turkish counterparts. (Sauces, toppings etc)

Re: “The closer to the train station, the worse the kebab” – a “study”

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Post by evanb »

For an exception, Kebapland in Ehrenfeld, Cologne is in the shadow of the mainline rails to Aachen and on top of the Ehrenfeld U-Bahn. It has the hands-down best kebap (and euro-for-euro meal) found in Köln.

This is not a paid endorsement, it's just insanely good.

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