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We don't need startups, we need Digital-Mittelstand

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Re: We don't need startups, we need Digital-Mittelstand

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Tell me about it. Australia has no 1gb symmetric. Might get 800/100 if lucky.

Still better than the 4/0.5 Mbps DSL provided in my area in Germany.

Oh wow. I can't actually remote work on 0.5 upload. Need minimum 4 to talk to people!

Although people rave about 1gb, I don't pay for that much as I have no need. I am not downing Llama every minute. A reliable 100 is plenty fast.

Re: We don't need startups, we need Digital-Mittelstand

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The mythical German "Mittelstand" again. This word is absolutely meaningless. It has been used to describe small businesses, but also companies like Robert Bosch GmbH which has 400,000 employees. "Mittelstand" is nothing but a vague idea Germans cling to, so they feel special.

I am sure that there are a large number of small business in the field, anayway. It's not a "either or" proposition, either. The article comes across as naive and idealistic. This was especially odd: " The average German—apart from those who’ve left the country and morphed into “tech bros”—isn’t particularly moved by shareholder value, especially when the Basic Law of Germany begins with “Human dignity shall be invio…

> I would also think that someone who lives and work in Germany ought to be speaking German and would not require the German state to provide paperwork to start a company in English.

Wow what a great way to invite even more talent to your country

Re: We don't need startups, we need Digital-Mittelstand

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I'm saying that not even the nicest, rarest lenses in the world are a replacement for a viable economy. And you can't eat lenses either, and people who do grow food also use software, and so do everyone else that makes about 90% of all the other stuff other than food that constitutes the German economy.

Germany is a net exporter of food. https://www.statista.com/statistics/509215/food-industry-imp...

You know what is not a substitute for a viable economy? Everything except a viable economy. Zimbabwe is also a net exporter of food [1][2].

[1]: https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/ZWE/Yea...

[2]: https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/ZWE/Yea...

Re: We don't need startups, we need Digital-Mittelstand

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post #232

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I am sure that there are a large number of small business in the field, anayway. It's not a "either or" proposition, either. The article comes across as naive and idealistic. This was especially odd: " The average German—apart from those who’ve left the country and morphed into “tech bros”—isn’t particularly moved by shareholder value, especially when the Basic Law of Germany begins with “Human dignity shall be invio…

> I would also think that someone who lives and work in Germany ought to be speaking German and would not require the German state to provide paperwork to start a company in English. Wow what a great way to invite even more talent to your country

What is this idea that a country should bend over backwards to "invite talent"? Especially with the underlying implication that it is not for the "talent" to make any efforts. Is Germany that desperate?

If you move to Germany at some point you need to learn German, don't you?

Re: We don't need startups, we need Digital-Mittelstand

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post #232

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> I would also think that someone who lives and work in Germany ought to be speaking German and would not require the German state to provide paperwork to start a company in English. Wow what a great way to invite even more talent to your country

What is this idea that a country should bend over backwards to "invite talent"? Especially with the underlying implication that it is not for the "talent" to make any efforts. Is Germany that desperate? If you move to Germany at some point you need to learn German, don't you?

> If you move to Germany at some point you need to learn German, don't you?

"At some point" - absolutely. What bothers me, and this is visible in every layer of German bureaucracy, is that you're expected to be fluent in it from day one, navigate paperwork like a native, otherwise you'll be frowned upon very quickly. Now add to this the talent that wants to move in and start inventing or kick off a startup. Not gonna happen. Ohh, and not to mention German archaic view on education and workforce (non)mobility between sectors if one chooses so

Re: We don't need startups, we need Digital-Mittelstand

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> Sadly europe never realized that low taxes, capitalism and liberty is what drives wealth. Honestly we have moved Europe so far past the post-political that I find it difficult to comprehend peoples politics nowadays. I wonder what people think "socialism" or "left" politics is now that everything has been so thoroughly depoliticized, I genuinely don't know. Is the EU "left"? I guess so? Is the IMF?

You can just look at the numbers. Percentage of GDP that is driven by government spending: China: 33% USA: 34% Germany: 50% Economically, modern Europe is more communist and exerts more centralized control than China. Might explain why the current class of European elites have presided over the greatest destruction of an industrial base since the Soviet Union.

This is fascinating, do you think then the US (under Biden) is/was more communist (economically) than China is?

Re: We don't need startups, we need Digital-Mittelstand

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What is this idea that a country should bend over backwards to "invite talent"? Especially with the underlying implication that it is not for the "talent" to make any efforts. Is Germany that desperate? If you move to Germany at some point you need to learn German, don't you?

> If you move to Germany at some point you need to learn German, don't you? "At some point" - absolutely. What bothers me, and this is visible in every layer of German bureaucracy, is that you're expected to be fluent in it from day one, navigate paperwork like a native, otherwise you'll be frowned upon very quickly. Now add to this the talent that wants to move in and start inventing or kick off a startup. Not gonna…

Well, it is actually also possible to learn the language, at least to a level, before moving to the country, and to take lesson as soon as you arrive, too.

The expected, normal way is that a foreigner adapts, not the other way round.

Re: We don't need startups, we need Digital-Mittelstand

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Germany is a net exporter of food. https://www.statista.com/statistics/509215/food-industry-imp...

You know what is not a substitute for a viable economy? Everything except a viable economy. Zimbabwe is also a net exporter of food [1][2]. [1]: https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/ZWE/Yea... [2]: https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/ZWE/Yea...

Germany has a viable economy. It's one of the strongest, most diverse in the world. It's in a recession right now, but we're talking about fluctuations in the 1-percent range here.

If you think Germany is anything close to a failed state then all I can tell you that you either fell for lies or intentionally spread lies yourself.

Re: We don't need startups, we need Digital-Mittelstand

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post #238

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You know what is not a substitute for a viable economy? Everything except a viable economy. Zimbabwe is also a net exporter of food [1][2]. [1]: https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/ZWE/Yea... [2]: https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/ZWE/Yea...

Germany has a viable economy. It's one of the strongest, most diverse in the world. It's in a recession right now, but we're talking about fluctuations in the 1-percent range here. If you think Germany is anything close to a failed state then all I can tell you that you either fell for lies or intentionally spread lies yourself.

A change from 3.7% to -0.3% is not in the 1-percent range. It's a decline of more than 100%, as all the growth is gone. Their economy has been sliding for years, the only change in trend was when they were helicoptering covid cash. They are done for, they won't recover.
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