Earlier quoted context omitted.
On a french macOS keyboard, it's option + o, which makes more sense, imho. What does option+o do on yours?
Option + o yields: ø in the textarea box. ... and then, in my Firefox configuration, unexpectedly navigates me to HN's /show page. FWIW, Option + O yields: Ø ... and then performs the same navigation.
What happened to the n in restaurateur?
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Re: What happened to the n in restaurateur?
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
I cannot really come up with a good rule, but I notice that words in -teur seem to have a féminin in -trice (restaura-teur/-trice, ama-teur/-trice, institu-teur/-trice, anima-teur/-trice) while other -eur words seem to prefer -euse (mass-eur/-euse, football-eur/-euse, arnaqu-eur/-euse).
I should note that in Latin the masculine agentive suffix is definitely -or. It may look like -tor, but that -t- is actually a separate element marking the perfect passive participle form. (From which agent nouns are derived.) Most verbs have a passive participial form that includes the -t-, but in some it's been swallowed by an S. The only example that comes to mind is missus [sent], the passive participle of mitter…
Re: What happened to the n in restaurateur?
#53> BTW, the feminine version of a restaurateur was “restauratrice.” The term was used in the mid to late 18th century, but thankfully never caught on. I don't know why the thankfully was needed. It looks like a pretty word to me.
Re: What happened to the n in restaurateur?
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
The term is recent. Places where you can pay for food are ancient.
I'm not sure about that. Since ancient times there were places where you could pay for food, but that was always a side business of an establishment whose main purpose was either (a) selling alcohol (or, in some places, coffee or tea) or (b) providing lodging for travelers. I suspect that an establishment whose main purpose is selling food to order may be a fairly recent innovation.
The main difference a restaurant brings is the addition of a seating / dining space. I strongly doubt that extra space for patrons to eat is a recent innovation.
Re: What happened to the n in restaurateur?
#55This is just begging the question! So "restaurateur" was first, but did "restaurant" get an "n"? Why isn't it "restaurat"? The reason is that in French (ultimately from Latin) "-ateur" means "person who" and "-ant" means roughly "ing". So a "restaurater" is someone who restores and "restaurant" means "restoring" (i.e. a restoring soup, subsequently place).
Let's be a little cheeky and invent analogues. Try for example "color".
person that does coloring - colorer
thing that does coloring - colorant
Re: What happened to the n in restaurateur?
#56This just pushes the question one step further. Why did the chefs who used to be employed by aristocrats, when they started opening public eating places. Not call them auberge (french for tavern or inn) or cantine or hotel or bistrot or even cabaret (which used to mean small restaurant) but instead picked ‘restaurant’ an, at that time, medical term.
Based on https://www.etymonline.com/word/restaurateur and https://parisfoodhistory.blogspot.com/2018/06/what-were-very... is seems the choice of wording was one part legal hack and one part marketing gimmick. TL;DR: Apparently only traiteurs were permitted to sell meals. Restaurants were marketed as a kind of (I guess) upscale health service, originally only selling fancy broths. One of the early restaurateurs is doc…
the question is, is the treatment covered by insurance?
Re: What happened to the n in restaurateur?
#57This is just begging the question! So "restaurateur" was first, but did "restaurant" get an "n"? Why isn't it "restaurat"? The reason is that in French (ultimately from Latin) "-ateur" means "person who" and "-ant" means roughly "ing". So a "restaurater" is someone who restores and "restaurant" means "restoring" (i.e. a restoring soup, subsequently place).
It makes perfect sense? Let's be a little cheeky and invent analogues. Try for example "color". person that does coloring - colorer thing that does coloring - colorant
Re: What happened to the n in restaurateur?
#58Re: What happened to the n in restaurateur?
#59Since we are talking about spelling, it is "hors d'œuvre" and not "hors d'oeuvre". On macos: Option + q for œ
So. oe = œ
I usually bind capslock to the compose key in Linux (and Windows with Wincompose). Hacker's Keyboard has a dedicated button.
Re: What happened to the n in restaurateur?
#60Do they also ask for the meaning of entree in this test? Even Miriam Webster has a note that Americans mistakenly use it for main course (completely incorrectly) because French sounds fancier. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/entr%C3%A9e#:~:te...
> completely incorrectly That meaning is also accepted by the French Academy nowadays: Fig. En parlant d’une période de temps, d’un processus. Commencement, début. À l’entrée de l’hiver. Dès l’entrée du repas. Par métonymie. Mets qui vient après les hors-d’œuvre et précède le plat principal. Une entrée chaude, froide. Servir un vol-au-vent, un soufflé en entrée. Par extension. Plat principal. Un repas composé d’un ho…