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Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

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> Not evaluated efficiency cuts. Just thrashing about. Personally I'm not sold on their tactics so far, but there is another way to view this than thrashing out. Non-probationary federal employees are protected and not easily fired. If one honestly believes the government is bloated and so far into debt that the budget needs to be balanced at all costs, cutting anyone and anything you can may make sense. Normally you…

Where exactly is the proof that the ship of government funded science in the USA was sinking? If you don't mean just US funded science, then what evidence is there that the USA was sinking in general? When I look at the graph of debt increase, it was actually decreasing. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1366899/percent-change-n...

“The debt is increasing at a slower rate” isn’t really enough when interest rates are non zero. As the US has to keep rolling its debt to higher interest rates it’s going to continue to escape decline even with significant cuts to spending

Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

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States have "power", but not money. There are no state level science grants anywhere at the scale of the linked article.

CA spends around $11B on the University of California system. The NIH budget is $47B. I haven't done the math, but I would hazard that the total amount of money spent on science by the Federal and the individual state authorities would be comparable. It's just that historically the Federal government was leading with the fundamental research, but if push comes to shove, states can start spinning up replacement progra…

Isn't CA a particularly rich state and not a good example of what states are capable of doing when compared to the federal government?

Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

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One thing Americans don't seem to realize is that the current constitution needs to be rewritten once we get out of this mess. One of the consequences of dictatorships is that they deform the constitution for their purposes. It seems that republicans have done enough to deform the system in an irreparable way.

How would you propose rewriting it that wouldn’t just mean “less democracy” and “more control by credentialed elites?”

Are you sure that any change to address the recent issues would always result in those two outcomes?

Also, Elon Musk is the richest elite in the world so it seems we already are at the bottom of the problem.

Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

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>We're looking at the US wilfully letting go of the possibiility of remaining the most powerful nation in the world. many here see it way (me too, though i'm well aware that many times whenever i was critical of Musk, he happened to be right, and in this case - Musk is naturally not anti-science guy, so i'd guess there must be some other reason for him doing that which i'm just not able to see). I wonder whether some…

> I wonder whether somebody from the opposing side can provide a reasonable logical explanation for the Musk/Trump actions. i am not on trump's side (i hate trump; i am neutral on musk except these past few weeks i think he's said -- but not yet really done -- things that are a bit beyond the pale, even for him) but i think this will be positive for American science. as i posted in sibling comment: > to steelman the…

No because these cuts do nothing to address fraud.

In the immediate it seems to have cut short the next generation of scientists leaving more of the entrenched old hands.

Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

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Optimistic.

I mean, to the degree in which I expect there to be an election in 2 years, and 4 years, I suppose that counts as optimism. I've not seen any indication that elections themselves are under threat. Given that elections would happen at state level anyway (and absent disbandment of congress) those elections would elect senators and representatives. Which in turn have the power to remove a president. So yes, I see nothin…

What about constant attacks by Republicans on whose votes counts?

It's happening again right now

https://www.propublica.org/article/north-carolina-voters-jef...

They justify these actions to their voters by lying about election fraud or exaggerating the issue.

Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

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The National Science Foundation funded the original research that became Google: https://www.nsf.gov/news/origins-google That grant in the area of library science led directly to one of the most valuable companies on the planet, creating far more value (2.2 trillion is today's market cap) from that one Digital Library Initiative grant to Stanford Professors Hector Garcia-Molina and Terry Winograd (plus a NSF Graduate…

Trying to tie Google to one single grant doesn’t make sense, nor does associating the market cap of that company to that one grant make sense.

Google owes far more to TCP/IP research from DARPA than that particular library grant. But even then, the meta point is that you need lots of research pushing forward all edges of knowledge.

It is very rare that any single grant can result in a massive successful business at this point. Pushing computing forward needs constant research in all directions to push forward hardware, networks, security, power conservation/generation, algorithms, storage, etc, etc.

Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

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The real question is, what negatively changed when the debt went from 600k to 666k? What about 500k to 600k? What will negatively change if it goes from 666k to 700k? I hear a lot about the debt going up. Not once have I ever heard what the consequences of this debt are to the regular tax payer. None of these cuts are going to give normal people significant tax cuts, and cutting all these programs certainly doesn't s…

Generally sovereign debt is not a problem until creditors become worries that the debt will not be paid back. The exact threshold is subject to the regular market fear/greed manias and is not an exact figure. Once this happens the country issuing credit will have trouble lending at favorable rates and will be forced to choose between printing money (could lead to massive inflation) and making large cuts. Here is rece…

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Re: Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone

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We have seen it happen over and over again. When was the last time real science came out of Russia?

I wouldn't put down Russia's achievements. They did manage to effectively disable their greatest geopolitical enemy and cause us to destroy ourselves. All the weaponry in every other country on earth couldn't harm America more than what they did with social media, some highly skilled "recruitment," and smart leveraging of monetary resources. They got us to vote against Ukraine at the UN without a gun. Even the worlds…

Further than that, they got the President of the United States to claim the Ukraine started the conflict.

All it took was Putin explaining to Trump the scale of the mineral wealth of Ukraine that they could split between them.

Thank fuck Australia is a long way from Russia. But on the other hand: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-22/australia-meets-china...

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Trump ran on saying whatever to whomever. his intentions though were obvious. He ran on cutting spending by 2 trillion. Where did people think this was going to come from? He ran on ending red tape. He ran on reducing regulation. These days folk getting approved by the senate just have to show up. No one believes RFK when he says he's changed his mind on vax. I mean, these guys are lackeys, not stupid. Democracy is a…

Perhaps the Democrats should consider letting their voters choose the candidate for once instead of anointing it. Nobody wanted Clinton except the DNC establishment, and then they lied about Biden until he was forced aside for Kamala at the behest of insiders.

>Nobody wanted Clinton except the DNC establishment

Then why did she win at least 85% of nationwide polls in 2016 and 2015

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_f...

> Perhaps the Democrats should consider letting their voters choose the candidate

Maybe Biden didn't want to go and it took time and pressure. They couldn't put together a primary by the time he did.

Did they lie? Probably. If Biden didn't want to go saying "the president is senile" would have helped Trump win.

Either way it doesn't matter. Trump was the candidate who lied (and still is lying) about widespread election fraud, not to mention tons of other lies that have become so numerous I'm numb to them.

Voters had a choice, Trump or Harris. Which is better (or which is the least worst option)

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