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Re: US asked to kick UK out of Five Eyes

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

readyplayernull wrote: post #4

> FBI Warns iPhone, Android Users—We Want ‘Lawful Access’ To All Your Encrypted Data https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/02/24/fbis-new-...

The only people who should have mandatory decryption on all communications are government officials, so that the democracy can be assured of preserving the records required by law.

Actual decryption of such records should be very difficult, with enormous audit logging.

I'm terrified what happens to democracy when the people in power are all using Signal. When the president goes around ripping up official documents he doesn't like, or making up read-outs that fabricate a story. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/03/trump-documents-national-arc...

Re: US asked to kick UK out of Five Eyes

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Post by robocat »

jmclnx wrote: post #18

The way things are going, I can see the other 4 countries kicking the US out. Or maybe forming their own Org and not feed anything to the US.

New Zealand bends over for the US.

I imagine NZ is very unlikely to opt out (even though the US surely snarfs our private data and abuses it to our detriment). This century with modern technology and social media, the US has incredible insight into private NZ information regardless of NZ desires.

The US monitoring Angela Merkel is the tip of the iceberg.

I was directly told our intelligence services were given TEMPEST equipment in late 80's or early 90's. That's one benefit of an alliance with the US.

There was a historical scandal where NZ released a search term NZ had used to gain political advantage over a friendly country. I'm feeling a bit 1984 because I can't find the details at the moment.

I imagine our intelligence service is quite happy to use XKEYSCORE.

There's also this quote: "Trying to get out of the Five Eyes is - how can I put it? - it's like trying to get out of the mafia."

It's not a subject I know a lot about: so my opinions are likely extremely ignorant.

One of our prime ministers revealed that Australian politicians knew more than most of our own elected politicians in the 80's about the topic of intelligence gathering in NZ by the US.

Good modern background on NZ's role in the UKUSA agreement: https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/pe... which basically says that NZ is just another Pacific Island when it comes to being manipulated by intelligent Chinese interests.

A bit of background from Snowdon: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/edward-snowden-leaked...

Re: US asked to kick UK out of Five Eyes

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Post by robocat »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #20
jmclnx wrote: post #18

The way things are going, I can see the other 4 countries kicking the US out. Or maybe forming their own Org and not feed anything to the US.

For each % increase in tariffs, reduce sharing by that %.

Silly. It's the 0.0000001% of the most valuable data (to the US) that matters.

Re: US asked to kick UK out of Five Eyes

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Post by sitzkrieg »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #31
readyplayernull wrote: post #4

> FBI Warns iPhone, Android Users—We Want ‘Lawful Access’ To All Your Encrypted Data https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/02/24/fbis-new-...

The only people who should have mandatory decryption on all communications are government officials, so that the democracy can be assured of preserving the records required by law. Actual decryption of such records should be very difficult, with enormous audit logging. I'm terrified what happens to democracy when the people in power are all using Signal. When the president goes around ripping up official documents he…

if the government can unencrypt in any capacity whatsoever there is effective zero encryption at play. US are already failing physical audits lol

Re: US asked to kick UK out of Five Eyes

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Post by AprilisKalends »

robocat wrote: post #32
jmclnx wrote: post #18

The way things are going, I can see the other 4 countries kicking the US out. Or maybe forming their own Org and not feed anything to the US.

New Zealand bends over for the US. I imagine NZ is very unlikely to opt out (even though the US surely snarfs our private data and abuses it to our detriment). This century with modern technology and social media, the US has incredible insight into private NZ information regardless of NZ desires. The US monitoring Angela Merkel is the tip of the iceberg. I was directly told our intelligence services were given TEMPES…

I was always told that Fives Eyes was about each country watching the others backs by doing spying on their citizens that countries couldn't do internally. I remember there was that MP in NZ who was blocked for CCP connection by the US IIRC.

Re: US asked to kick UK out of Five Eyes

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Post by brettkromkamp »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #27
jmclnx wrote: post #18

The way things are going, I can see the other 4 countries kicking the US out. Or maybe forming their own Org and not feed anything to the US.

I mean, our CIA, DIA, and NSA are so fundamentally compromised, I agree. It doesn't matter if the President is or is not some mole agent. Everything he has done in the first two months is a wet dream for Putin. Across the board. Isolate/sever ties with EU and NATO. Threaten allies. Disrupt FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA with mass firings and incompetent leaders. Clear out the military leadership. Threaten Ukraine. Say Ukraine ca…

This!

Re: US asked to kick UK out of Five Eyes

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Post by librasteve »

drawkward wrote: post #2

>In a letter to the recently appointed US Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Tulsi Gabbard, senator Ron Wyden of Colorada and representative Andy Biggs of Arizona bluntly ask the administration to kick the UK out of the 65-year-old UK-USA signals intelligence sharing agreement, commonly known as Five Eyes, if they do not now withdraw the demand to Apple. I want to know where the fuck Colarada is. Also, Wyden rep…

It’s one of the four corner states … Colorada, Arizani, Now Mexico and Utoh

Re: US asked to kick UK out of Five Eyes

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Post by immibis »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #27
jmclnx wrote: post #18

The way things are going, I can see the other 4 countries kicking the US out. Or maybe forming their own Org and not feed anything to the US.

I mean, our CIA, DIA, and NSA are so fundamentally compromised, I agree. It doesn't matter if the President is or is not some mole agent. Everything he has done in the first two months is a wet dream for Putin. Across the board. Isolate/sever ties with EU and NATO. Threaten allies. Disrupt FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA with mass firings and incompetent leaders. Clear out the military leadership. Threaten Ukraine. Say Ukraine ca…

It's worth noting that all those things you mentioned about Ukraine are standard practice for Palestine and no one bats an eye.

Re: US asked to kick UK out of Five Eyes

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Post by normalaccess »

jmclnx wrote: post #18

The way things are going, I can see the other 4 countries kicking the US out. Or maybe forming their own Org and not feed anything to the US.

I can see a world where the US would want that to happen. If they kick the US out then the US will be free to spy on the others without needing the loopholes that 5 Eyes created in the first place.

Re: US asked to kick UK out of Five Eyes

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Post by anthony_d »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #23

That's the stupidest thing I've heard this month. (Yes, I am aware of what the rest of the month has been like.) Either these people have no idea how valuable Five Eyes is, or they know but are still willing to destroy it in a temper tantrum or an attempt at a power play. Either way, they need fired yesterday .

Why is your ire directed at the US here? Spying on each others citizens is one thing, but the UK is attempting to both prevent the US from having meaningful consumer encryption and destroy trust in US corporations.

I’m a bit shocked that an ostensibly tech site seems fine with the UK trying to destroy consumer encryption globally.

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