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Re: MongoDB acquires Voyage AI

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Post by koakuma-chan »

beoberha wrote: post #64
connectsnk wrote: post #49

I understand the criticisms, but in my experience, MongoDB has come a long way. Many of the earlier issues people mention have been addressed. Features like sharding, built-in replication, and flexible schemas have made scaling large datasets much smoother for me. It’s not perfect, but it’s a solid choice.

I think the amount of people working on large enterprise systems here is a lot smaller than one would think. Whenever a fly.io post about sqlite ends up in here, there are a scary amount of comments about using sqlite in way more scenarios than it should be.

Why would I use anything other than sqlite?

Re: MongoDB acquires Voyage AI

#92

Post by threeseed »

amazingamazing wrote: post #90
threeseed wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citus is owned by Microsoft. And history has not been nice to startups like this continuing their products over the long term. It's why unless it is built-in and supported it's not feasible for most to depend on it.

that's fair, but that's true of mongodb itself too. I wouldn't count that against either of them.

MongoDB makes money selling and supporting MongoDB.

Microsoft does not make money supporting Citus.

Re: MongoDB acquires Voyage AI

#93

Post by flessner »

isoprophlex wrote: post #9
dimgl wrote: post #8

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Is it possible that they simply have a good product?

Impossible! It's not based on sqlite, postgres or written in rust, so it must be terrible!

I never understood this argument, there are many great products running on Java, PHP, Ruby, JavaScript... All of these languages have a "crowd" that hates them for historic and/or esoteric reasons.

Great products are in my opinion a function of skill and care. The only benefit a "popular" tool or language gets you is a greater developer pool for hiring.

Re: MongoDB acquires Voyage AI

#94

Post by threeseed »

scosman wrote: post #89
threeseed wrote: post #84

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So does a text file. Statements like yours are meaningless when you aren't specific about the operations, schema, access patterns etc. If you have a single server, relational use case then PostgreSQL is great. But like all technology it's not great at everything.

The use a text file. In all seriousness, calling Postgres’ scalability “not-negotiable for most use cases” is wild.

What's wild is you misrepresenting what I said which was:

"built-in, supported, proven scalability and high availability"

PostgreSQL does not have any of this. It's only good for a single server instance which isn't really enough in a cloud world where instances are largely ephemeral.

Re: MongoDB acquires Voyage AI

#95

Post by margalabargala »

koakuma-chan wrote: post #91
beoberha wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the amount of people working on large enterprise systems here is a lot smaller than one would think. Whenever a fly.io post about sqlite ends up in here, there are a scary amount of comments about using sqlite in way more scenarios than it should be.

Why would I use anything other than sqlite?

Easy. Sometimes it's more than you need, and there's no reason to use sqlite when you can just write things to a flat text file that you can `grep` against.

Re: MongoDB acquires Voyage AI

#96

Post by redwood »

delusional wrote: post #83
threeseed wrote: post #77

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a) MongoDB has built-in, supported, proven scalability and high availability features. PostgreSQL does not. If it wasn't for cloud offerings like AWS Aurora providing them no company would even bother with PostgreSQL at all. It's 2025 these features are not-negotiable for most use cases. b) MongoDB does one thing well. JSON documents. If your domain model is built around that then nothing is faster. Seriously nothing…

> It's 2025 these features are not-negotiable for most use cases. Excuse me? I do enterprise apps, along with most of the developers I know. We run like 100 transactions per second and can easily survive hours of planned downtime. It's 2025, computers are really fast. I barely need a database, but ACID makes transaction processing so much easier.

MongoDB has had ACID transactions for many years. I encourage folks to at least read up on the topic they are claiming to have expertise in

Re: MongoDB acquires Voyage AI

#97

Post by SEJeff »

999900000999 wrote: post #78
SEJeff wrote: post #74

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Postgres supports JSONB natively. It literally speaks mongo line protocol and you can shove unstructured json into it. It has supported this since 9.4: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/datatype-json.html

I don't necessarily agree with the above justifications, but in my experience this is basically why teams pick Mongo. It's easier to get started with.

It’s hard to disagree with you on that part. PG is definitely not free to get starts with and requires a bit of setup (hello pg_hba.conf).

Re: MongoDB acquires Voyage AI

#98

Post by codr7 »

riku_iki wrote: post #70
jamesrr39 wrote: post #67

Genuine question: I appreciate the comments about MongoDB being much better than it was 10 years ago; but Postgres is also much better today than then as well. What situations is Mongo better than Postgres? Why choose Mongo in 2025?

Mongo is real distributed and scalable DB, while postgres is single server DB, so main consideration could be if you need to scale beyond single server.

Calling MongoDB a real database compared to PostgreSQL is hilarious.

MongDB is basically a pile of JSON in comparison, no matter how much you distribute and scale it.

Re: MongoDB acquires Voyage AI

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Post by codr7 »

999900000999 wrote: post #78
SEJeff wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Postgres supports JSONB natively. It literally speaks mongo line protocol and you can shove unstructured json into it. It has supported this since 9.4: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/datatype-json.html

I don't necessarily agree with the above justifications, but in my experience this is basically why teams pick Mongo. It's easier to get started with.

Now there's a truth about MongoDB, it's easy to get started with.

But why is that the top priority?

Re: MongoDB acquires Voyage AI

#100

Post by riku_iki »

throw14082020 wrote: post #73
riku_iki wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mongo is real distributed and scalable DB, while postgres is single server DB, so main consideration could be if you need to scale beyond single server.

Ahhh, this sounds familiar! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs

things still can be true, even if being wrapped into meme videos by haters..
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