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OpenAI Researchers Find That AI Is Unable to Solve Most Coding Problems

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Re: OpenAI Researchers Find That AI Is Unable to Solve Most Coding Problems

#31
I saw this

still, chain of thought is great for LeetCode 75

Since interviewers “want to see how you think” (and get the right answer in less time than other candidates on average)

I can now see how you’re supposed to think (and get the right answer in less time than other candidates on average, for now)

Re: OpenAI Researchers Find That AI Is Unable to Solve Most Coding Problems

#32

The models were restricted from accessing the internet and forced to develop their own solutions internally. I think researchers will find that human coders are unable to solve most coding problems without access to the internet.

Damn. How did they write code before 1992?

We did have usenet in the 80s and gopher in the 90s. But yes, in those days it was that mythical "paper" stuff (or were we still using papyrus? I forget)

Re: OpenAI Researchers Find That AI Is Unable to Solve Most Coding Problems

#33
I wonder how many of the solutions that passes SWE-lancer evals would not be accepted by the poster due to low quality

I’ve been trying so many things to automate solving bugs and adding features 100% by AI and I have to admit it’s been a failure. Without someone that can read the code and fully understand the AI generated code and suggests improvements (SWE in the loop) AI code is mostly not good.

Re: OpenAI Researchers Find That AI Is Unable to Solve Most Coding Problems

#34

I’ve got 15 years of coding experience at some of the biggest tech companies. My personal opinion is that most people have no clue how good these AI coding systems already are. If you use something like RepoPrompt, where you selectively choose which files to include in the prompt, and then also provide a clear description of what changes you want to make—along with a significant portion of the source code—a model lik…

the limiting factor is no longer the answers but the questions

Re: OpenAI Researchers Find That AI Is Unable to Solve Most Coding Problems

#35
> The models weren't allowed to access the internet

How many software developers could solve most even simple programming problems (except 'Hello world') with zero shot style (you write in notepad then can compile only once and execute once) without access to internet (stackoverflow, google search, documentation), tools (terminal, debugger, linter, cli)?

I think then it's not the best comparison to make any judgement. Future benchmark should test agents where they allowed to solve the problem in 5-10 minutes, allow give access to internet, documentation, linter, terminal with MCP servers.

Re: OpenAI Researchers Find That AI Is Unable to Solve Most Coding Problems

#36
I recently had to do a one-off task using SQL in a way that I wasn't too familiar with. Since I could explain conceptually what I needed but didn't know all the right syntax this seemed like a perfect use case to loop in Claude.

The first couple back and forths went ok but it quickly gave me some SQL that was invalid. I sent back the exact error and line number and it responded by changing all of the aliases but repeated the same logical error. I tried again and this time it rewrote more of the code, but still used the exact same invalid operation.

At that point I just went ahead and read some docs and other resources and solved things the traditional way.

Given all of the hype around LLMs I'm honestly surprised to see top models still failing in such basic and straightforward ways. I keep trying to use LLMs in my regular work so that I'm not missing out on something potentially great but I still haven't hit a point where they're all that useful.

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#37
post #4

> even though CEO Sam Altman insists they will be able to beat "low-level" software engineers by the end of this year. "low/high level" starts to lose its meaning to me because it gets used in opposite ways

Where are the low level CEOs vs high level CEOs? I'll bet AI could do their jobs right now. Can SOMEONE please write AI software to replace these people?

Management consultants. Main attributes are confidence and ability to generate content. No need to stick around to see it through.

Re: OpenAI Researchers Find That AI Is Unable to Solve Most Coding Problems

#38
Coding, especially the type mentioned in the article (building an app based on a specification)—is a highly complex task. It cannot be completed with a single prompt and an immediate, flawless result.

This is why even most software projects (built by humans) go through multiple iterations before they work perfectly.

We should consider a few things before asking, "Can AI code like humans?":

- How did AI learn to code? What structured curriculum was used?

- Did AI receive mentoring from an experienced senior who has solved real-life issues that the AI hasn't encountered yet?

- Did the AI learn through hands-on coding or just by reading Stack Overflow?

If we want to model AI as being on par with (or even superior to) human intelligence, don’t we at least need to consider how humans learn these complex skills?

Right now, it's akin to giving a human thousands of coding books to "read" and "understand," but offering no opportunity to test their programs on a computer. That’s essentially what's happening!

Without doing that, I don't think we'll ever be able to determine whether the limitation of current AI is due to its "low intelligence" or because it hasn’t been given a proper opportunity to learn.

Re: OpenAI Researchers Find That AI Is Unable to Solve Most Coding Problems

#39
LLMs will never solve this problem, they are basically just glorified copy & paste engines, solving real code problems requires invention, even for most basic tasks. The best they will manage in their current direct is reason they don't have the capability or capacity to actually solve the problem rather than just getting it wrong the vast majority of the time.

Re: OpenAI Researchers Find That AI Is Unable to Solve Most Coding Problems

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post #36

I recently had to do a one-off task using SQL in a way that I wasn't too familiar with. Since I could explain conceptually what I needed but didn't know all the right syntax this seemed like a perfect use case to loop in Claude. The first couple back and forths went ok but it quickly gave me some SQL that was invalid. I sent back the exact error and line number and it responded by changing all of the aliases but repe…

I'm not convinced LLMs will evolve into general AI. The promises that it's just around the corner feels increasingly like a big scam.
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