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Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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They also block Brave browsers entirely. I tried reading into it, but it appears to be one of those "programmer personality quirks". The fellow that runs the site appears to think Brave is a scam of some sort, and just decided to block the entire browser. Oh well, I'll stick to HN.

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Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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> the right propaganda of the leftists being against technology is so easy to justify OSA is a product of the last Tory government who, I can promise you, were not at all "leftists".

All of Europe is leftist in that regard. There is no free speech in Europe and even the "extreme right" parties in France, Italy, Germany or Romania, for example, are just called extremist because anyone can throw words at anything, not because they are (note: LePen the father was an extremist, the daughter is not).

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Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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Sounds familiar, except here there's no notification when you get flagged/deaded/shadowbanned.

At least HN allows you to come back under another name and with that is less at risk of totally succumbing to the echo chamber mentality. It also does not tie new users to existing ones nor are existing users who happen to invite new users who are deemed to be 'problematic' punished for those invitations.

> At least HN allows you to come back under another name

You can also come back under the same account, which is what I did. I emailed dang, and promised to respect the site's guidelines this time.

Lobste.rs on the other hand has terrible moderation, with moderators arguably being from one political clique. You can find details about the ridiculous ban they issued on my account in this X thread: https://x.com/sridca/status/1751586241110519837

pushcx then tried to argue with me here after 3 months, lying about the ban: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40166912#40176320

Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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As someone who self-hosts Mastodon, should I be geoblocking the UK as well? For the record, I only host it for myself, so I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have received any of the legal protections that the OSA is now stripping away, and thus geoblocking the UK wouldn't matter. But if there's something else I'm missing, please let me know.

I would as a matter of principle, but also just to be safe.

Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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ELI5: Why should a US-based site, hosted on US soil and run by a US citizen, care about laws in all the hundreds of other random countries located thousands of miles away?

Because he can face legal consequences for breaking the (local elsewhere) law. The US do the exact same, look up FATCA.

That's a bit different though. If it was similar, he would just be blocked from interacting with the US at all. FATCA doesn't require arrests of non-US people breaking the law, it just harshly punishes those who do by excluding them from the US and holding a 30% amount of any money. (Note: I oppose FATCA in its entirely, just pointing out the difference here).

Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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Small forums run as hobby projects need to require little-to-no investment of time and money, or the ROI quickly goes negative and they just shut down instead. A little while back there was the story [0] of a Mastodon admin who hated CloudFlare and its centralized protection, but found that he had no choice but to sign up for it anyway because a disgruntled user kept launching DDoS attacks and he had no other way to…

It would be much easier for me to run a small business if I didn't have to worry about the intricacies of tax law or how the various company structures affect my liability - but that's life. If you want to do various things in life, you may have certain responsibilities. Again - I don't like this particular legislation, but if your hobby is a website where others can post content you have a responsibility that the co…

> but if your hobby is a website where others can post content you have a responsibility that the content shouldn't be illegal or harmful to others

I’m not entirely sure I agree with this sentiment. It certainly isn’t true from a legal standpoint in America, where section 230 explicitly absolves you from any such responsibility. I also don’t think most of the objections to the OSA center around a need to remove child pornography, but instead the fact that you are forced to employ technological measures that don’t currently exist to remove child pornography. All of this is a little besides the point though because…

> If you can't deal with those responsibilities you can't run the website.

I absolutely can. If the law is unreasonable, I can block all users from the host country, and keep running my website. Which is exactly what Lobsters and a lot of other people are choosing to do.

Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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I'm sure you already know and are asking as a way to point it out, but for anyone who doesn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words . Does this person actually buy into the nonsense, though, or are they just being provocative? Both are reasons to mute someone, but only one is ideological.

Yep, just pointing it out. It's like a completely unironic version of that joke: > Conservative: I have been censored for my conservative views > > Me: Holy shit! You were censored for wanting lower taxes? > > Con: LOL no...no not those views > > Me: So....deregulation? > > Con: Haha no not those views either > > Me: Which views, exactly? > > Con: Oh, you know the ones "Oh no, I keep getting kicked out of places for…

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Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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They also block Brave browsers entirely. I tried reading into it, but it appears to be one of those "programmer personality quirks". The fellow that runs the site appears to think Brave is a scam of some sort, and just decided to block the entire browser. Oh well, I'll stick to HN.

This is why Brave was blocked [1.]. I'd have felt the same way, and people are entitled to their grudges. I think the grudge is reasonable. [1.] https://github.com/lobsters/lobsters-ansible/issues/45#issue...

There's millions of much stronger reasons to hold grudges against Google and Microsoft, yet their browsers are somehow fine? It's incredibly arbitrary. For what it's worth I think crypto has been a scourge on society so I'm not making this point for any crypto shilling reasons.
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