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Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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Post by ChocolateGod »

ok_dad wrote: post #35
LAC-Tech wrote: post #25

Question: why pro-active block some authoritarian countries like the UK, but not others like China? Is it because only the UK passes legislation that threaten people outside of its borders? Or does China do it too and we ignore it?

China probably can’t get the USA to extradite an American citizen for breaking a Chinese law. The UK can.

The UK can't even get the USA to extradite an American woman who was driving on the wrong side of the road and killed a child.

The US-USA extradition treaties have always been one way.

Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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Post by 420_14_88_69 »

blueflow wrote: post #46
Red_Comet_88 wrote: post #13

They also block Brave browsers entirely. I tried reading into it, but it appears to be one of those "programmer personality quirks". The fellow that runs the site appears to think Brave is a scam of some sort, and just decided to block the entire browser. Oh well, I'll stick to HN.

You can scroll through the lobste.rs moderation log to get in impression of how moderation on lobste.rs works: https://lobste.rs/moderations Also incidents like this: https://lobste.rs/s/zp4ofg/lobster_burntsushi_has_left_site This kind of stuff gives me hugbox vibes, i would not feel safe there. I'm somewhat sure some of the moderators use the website as personal political leverage.

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Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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Post by 420_14_88_69 »

hagbard_c wrote: post #59
blueflow wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can scroll through the lobste.rs moderation log to get in impression of how moderation on lobste.rs works: https://lobste.rs/moderations Also incidents like this: https://lobste.rs/s/zp4ofg/lobster_burntsushi_has_left_site This kind of stuff gives me hugbox vibes, i would not feel safe there. I'm somewhat sure some of the moderators use the website as personal political leverage.

I used to have an account on that site as well and left for the same reason: repeated messages telling me I had been flagged and I needed to reconsider when I dared to venture too far outside the desired narrative. There will be many others who have made or will make the same decision which leaves sites like this with a population which is mostly ideologically cohesive. Maybe that is a good thing for those sites and…

Sounds familiar, except here there's no notification when you get flagged/deaded/shadowbanned.

Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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Post by hagbard_c »

420_14_88_69 wrote: post #63
hagbard_c wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to have an account on that site as well and left for the same reason: repeated messages telling me I had been flagged and I needed to reconsider when I dared to venture too far outside the desired narrative. There will be many others who have made or will make the same decision which leaves sites like this with a population which is mostly ideologically cohesive. Maybe that is a good thing for those sites and…

Sounds familiar, except here there's no notification when you get flagged/deaded/shadowbanned.

At least HN allows you to come back under another name and with that is less at risk of totally succumbing to the echo chamber mentality. It also does not tie new users to existing ones nor are existing users who happen to invite new users who are deemed to be 'problematic' punished for those invitations.

Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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Post by gaganyaan »

420_14_88_69 wrote: post #62
blueflow wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can scroll through the lobste.rs moderation log to get in impression of how moderation on lobste.rs works: https://lobste.rs/moderations Also incidents like this: https://lobste.rs/s/zp4ofg/lobster_burntsushi_has_left_site This kind of stuff gives me hugbox vibes, i would not feel safe there. I'm somewhat sure some of the moderators use the website as personal political leverage.

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What does 14 88 refer to in your username?

Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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Post by FreakLegion »

gaganyaan wrote: post #65
420_14_88_69 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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What does 14 88 refer to in your username?

I'm sure you already know and are asking as a way to point it out, but for anyone who doesn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words.

Does this person actually buy into the nonsense, though, or are they just being provocative? Both are reasons to mute someone, but only one is ideological.

Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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Post by gaganyaan »

FreakLegion wrote: post #66
gaganyaan wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does 14 88 refer to in your username?

I'm sure you already know and are asking as a way to point it out, but for anyone who doesn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words . Does this person actually buy into the nonsense, though, or are they just being provocative? Both are reasons to mute someone, but only one is ideological.

Yep, just pointing it out. It's like a completely unironic version of that joke:

> Conservative: I have been censored for my conservative views > > Me: Holy shit! You were censored for wanting lower taxes? > > Con: LOL no...no not those views > > Me: So....deregulation? > > Con: Haha no not those views either > > Me: Which views, exactly? > > Con: Oh, you know the ones

"Oh no, I keep getting kicked out of places for throwing around neonazi references"

Well, don't be a shithead and that won't happen

Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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Post by blueflow »

gaganyaan wrote: post #67
FreakLegion wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you already know and are asking as a way to point it out, but for anyone who doesn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words . Does this person actually buy into the nonsense, though, or are they just being provocative? Both are reasons to mute someone, but only one is ideological.

Yep, just pointing it out. It's like a completely unironic version of that joke: > Conservative: I have been censored for my conservative views > > Me: Holy shit! You were censored for wanting lower taxes? > > Con: LOL no...no not those views > > Me: So....deregulation? > > Con: Haha no not those views either > > Me: Which views, exactly? > > Con: Oh, you know the ones "Oh no, I keep getting kicked out of places for…

I wish different people than this would reply to my post :(

Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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Post by LAC-Tech »

ok_dad wrote: post #35
LAC-Tech wrote: post #25

Question: why pro-active block some authoritarian countries like the UK, but not others like China? Is it because only the UK passes legislation that threaten people outside of its borders? Or does China do it too and we ignore it?

China probably can’t get the USA to extradite an American citizen for breaking a Chinese law. The UK can.

Yeah that makes sense.

I thought extradition laws usually had some kind of clause like "only applies if it'd be a crime in both jurisdictions", but now I think about that I can't remember where I heard that or why I think it so I will admit complete ignorance.

Re: Lobsters blocking UK users because of the Online Safety Act

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Post by acaloiar »

Red_Comet_88 wrote: post #13

They also block Brave browsers entirely. I tried reading into it, but it appears to be one of those "programmer personality quirks". The fellow that runs the site appears to think Brave is a scam of some sort, and just decided to block the entire browser. Oh well, I'll stick to HN.

This is why Brave was blocked [1.]. I'd have felt the same way, and people are entitled to their grudges. I think the grudge is reasonable.

[1.] https://github.com/lobsters/lobsters-ansible/issues/45#issue...

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