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'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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Really? I click on a button twice and my wallet pops up on my phone with my boarding pass

Perhaps that's the thing with an app my wife is doing. I don't have a wallet app, myself; I mistrust phones (and the corporations which own them) too much for that.

The Wallet app is built in on the iPhone.

Do you also print out directions from Mapquest before you leave home?

Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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If you have a place to live, you shouldn't carry all your belongings with you in a backpack when you go outside. Similarly, a phone should not be your archive of all your media.

> If you have a place to live, you shouldn't carry all your belongings with you in a backpack when you go outside. I really don't like this analogy. These are entirely different concepts. A backpack has weight, dimension in real space that impacts the real world. A phone full of videos has no extra weight or volume in the real world.

Clearly, they are facing very similar physical restrictions. Not in weight but in bytes. If they want to carry many TBs on a phone in 2025 but then complaining that they can't install a 100mb app, yeah, they are carrying too much in their backpack.

Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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If you have a place to live, you shouldn't carry all your belongings with you in a backpack when you go outside. Similarly, a phone should not be your archive of all your media.

How other people choose to use their phones is not your business.

This is a public forum. If they don't want to talk about it then why are they talking about it?

Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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the solution is to let the market do its work and move to another bank?

in many places there is no bank that offers an alternative

Not sure what you mean. There are numerous online banks that can operate country wide, and surely there is at least one of them that offer web banking without requiring an app?

Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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I’m fascinated by this phenomenon of apps proposing solutions that are far worse than the previous existing solutions. For example: 1. Parking apps are worse than parking meters. 2. Tinder is worse than IRL speed dating. 3. Duolingo is worse than language classes. 4. Airline apps that are worse than just printing a boarding pass. 5. Etc It really makes me frustrated as someone who builds software and generally thinks…

> 1. Parking apps are worse than parking meters. I certainly don't agree with that one. I really don't miss having to pay for a fixed number of hours and then having to figure out what to do if I'm running late (or wasting money if I get back early). > 4. Airline apps that are worse than just printing a boarding pass. Unless the app is exceptionally horrible you can just export it to Apple/Android wallet which is muc…

> I certainly don't agree with that one. I really don't miss having to pay for a fixed number of hours and then having to figure out what to do if I'm running late

But they are worse than mid-2000s tech. I used to have a tag with an lcd timer that I loaded up with cash periodically. When I parked in a metered space in the city, I just turn the thing on and hang it on my driver window. It was synced with the parking schedule, so the timer wouldn’t run until metered parking started and stopped at the end of metered parking. Parking enforcement simply had to look at the tag to make sure it was on and had a positive value. When I came back, I just shut the thing off—I paid for exactly what I used, always. Great UX: turn on thing, hang in window, remove, turn off thing, plug into computer to add money every few months.

Compare to now where there’s An App that requires multiple taps to tell it which street your on, which car, oh look it forgot your credit card and they don’t take Apple Pay, time to enter all that data in again… oh yeah, also you have to overbuy parking and they charge transaction fees every time if you try to buy exact and add time later.

Also, now parking enforcement has to key in everyone’s license plates to figure out if they’re legal or not (no automated plate readers—they’re illegal in this state). Apart from being annoying, now that data is conveniently harvested.

Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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My brother doesn't have à smartphone (by choice). For example, he cannot access his bank account via his desktop anymore. He have to go to his agency in person. Well we all did that for years so it's just annoying, because he still have the possibility to do it and it's his choice. But what will happen if all the brick and mortar close ? When will it be mandatory to get a smartphone for his bank app, just to have acc…

the solution is to let the market do its work and move to another bank?

Voting with your feet only works if there’s somewhere else for you to walk to.

Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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What airline are you flying and in what country? And who has printers at home anymore? My wife and I fly quite often and mostly Delta - over a dozen times a year. Very few people still use paper tickets.

Just US domestic flights. Most people just have the paper passes. They are guaranteed to work. And I guess I just assumed everyone with a computer had some sort of printer. If not, how do they, you know, print things out? I use my printer constantly for things like forms I have to mail, printing out documentation to read later, hobby stuff…

You act as if the same QR codes scanned on your phone don’t work. Even if your phone dies or something happens, the gate agent can still print out your ticket at the gate.

What are you printing off and mailing so often?

Any documents you I don’t want to read on my phone, I read on my iPad.

Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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Most people don't have 3 doctors let alone 3 which all use the same niche/bad customer facing software. Those that do should organize to make their displeasure known. Senior decision makers are probably incompetent boobs rather than compete assholes. If they live somewhere with 1 doc they should vote with their feet by leaving before the town finishes dying around them.

So we should condemn large swaths of the rural population to not only abject poverty, but remove health care access too? Is this what you're seriously arguing? That people should be forced to have a worse quality life, die earlier; all because they committed the crime of not living in a metropolis? Do you not see how people read this as completely heartless and devoid of empathy towards their fellow man?

>Be forced to have a worse quality life, die earlier; all because they committed the crime of not living in a metropolis?

Literally already the case and more so care isn't cheaper unlike land so your lesser dollars buys lesser care and no realistic access to specialists

Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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Perhaps that's the thing with an app my wife is doing. I don't have a wallet app, myself; I mistrust phones (and the corporations which own them) too much for that.

The Wallet app is built in on the iPhone. Do you also print out directions from Mapquest before you leave home?

I'm sure that is convenient for those iPhone users who want to make use of the feature.

> Do you also print out directions from Mapquest before you leave home?

That sure was the way it used to work, wasn't it?

Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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People are writing this off, but it eventually becomes impossible not to own a smartphone; an expensive device, with an expensive monthly plan, and an absolutely terrible privacy record. Eventually more businesses will require smartphone usage just to use their services. There could even be a time when government services require it.

A landline phone is about the cost of a cheap smartphone, and the landline itself costs about as much as the cheapest cell plans. But you actually don't need either of those. You just need the cheapest Android cellphone or tablet you get, and access to someone's wifi, which is freely available at many coffee shops, or from neighbors. I still agree you shouldn't need it, especially if you already have a computer. But…

> But you actually don't need either of those. You just need the cheapest Android cellphone or tablet you get, and access to someone's wifi, which is freely available at many coffee shops, or from neighbors.

The cheapest device you can get will be unusably slow - good luck doing anything out and about without inconveniencing everyone else while you wait for your device to load and pray the app opens in a timely fashion. Oh, that is, if your outdated device can even download and run it.

Access to wifi isn't really as ubiquitous as you make it seem either - what if the business you're needing to use the app for doesn't have wifi? Run down the street to the coffee shop?

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