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DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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You don't need their permission to have these conversations.

GP is not talking about permission. It doesn't matter that people can have these conversations if they won’t .

> doesn't matter that people can have these conversations if they won’t

People aren't having conversations about the federal deficit? Where?

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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1. US GDP estimated GDP in 2024 is $29 trillion. According to your first source, U.S. Federal Spending was 23% of GDP. If that were reduced to the 2014-2019 average of 20%, that would trim $870 billion from federal spending. That seems like good progress toward avoiding a potential debt crisis. 2. Reduce defense overall and make the process of getting money to the needy more efficient. 3. No comment. Healthcare is me…

1. I actually mostly agree with you (and the other reply that said something along the same lines). IMO, the debt situation isn't great, and it's getting worse. Bringing down spending as a percentage of GDP doesn't necessarily require trimming the budget, though - it could also be done by keeping the budget flat and letting GDP growth catch up. 2. Personally, I'm not opposed to trimming defense spending. However, how…

Don't worry about #2, Canada is taking care of this for you, to prevent fentanyl and illegals from pouring in over the top border (assume because of gravity...)

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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and isn't annual budget $2,400 billion? so basically without caution or care or actually evaluating gains vs investments just slash and burn scorched earth, destroying lives to save 55 out of 2400 billion? which might only really be 7 billion "saved" ? How about the $10 million per month to go play golf? Or $20 million to watch half the superbowl and leave?

That $20 million number does not pass the sniff test.

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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For those who want to have a substantive discussion on the federal budget and believe these cuts are justified, I have a few questions (putting aside questions of constitutionality for this thread): 1. There are claims that federal spending is out of control. How do you square that with the fact that spending as a percentage of GDP is only slightly elevated compared to the historical average going back to at least th…

> The US population is aging, which means that 36% slice is going to naturally grow. What do you think should be cut, and how? Old people [1], veterans [2], high earners and homeowners [3] turn out to vote. The only demographic we can cut benefits to are the poor. That's what's happening. (Given partisan polarisation, my guess is Democrats will take an axe to veteran benefits next cycle.) > Why shouldn't the health i…

> Given partisan polarisation, my guess is Democrats will take an axe to veteran benefits next cycle

I highly doubt it. The Senate “Democrat” in charge of the VA is Bernie Sanders himself, and he’s been a stalwart supporter of improving veteran benefits his entire career. There’s also the whole “it would be political suicide” thing.

Partisan polarization is a good way to predict a lot of things, but if you lean into it too much you will in fact be wrong.

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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For those who want to have a substantive discussion on the federal budget and believe these cuts are justified, I have a few questions (putting aside questions of constitutionality for this thread): 1. There are claims that federal spending is out of control. How do you square that with the fact that spending as a percentage of GDP is only slightly elevated compared to the historical average going back to at least th…

This framing is a bit far from the actual motivating issue underlying the federal "budget" itself. I think a better question is whether having a federal workforce of 4 million people managed by an unaccountable bureaucracy is in the best interests of any country. If you frame it as simply whether to spend money on this or that or if you're getting comparable value to other countries, then it is inevitable for the sid…

> Centralized power is very susceptible to grift and corruption

Does it look like we're going to less of that though?

Also, just looking at the numbers, I wonder if a few percent savings in the federal budget could possibly translate to positive changes for the working class. Maybe part of the population will be happy to know they don't fund hypothetical gender studies anymore, but let's hope the cuts don't affect them negatively.

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The social security administration estimates ~$60b a year in fraud on ~$400b budget! [1] [2]. People can have a rational discussion as to where and how fraud and abuse are rooted out, but I have trouble understanding how people don’t think it’s an issue? [1] https://blog.ssa.gov/medicare-fraud-prevention-week/ [2] https://www.usaspending.gov/explorer/budget_function

The problem is that the real perpetrators of the fraud are just trying to redirect the blame to regular citizens. The biggest source of fraud is the insurance and hospital industry itself. See the example of Rick Scott: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Scott , yes, that Rick Scott- current Senator from Florida. > Scott was pressured to resign as chief executive of Columbia/HCA in 1997. During his tenure as chief ex…

THIS. I had to search this thread for Rick Scott. The sources of real fraud are promoted by Trump and Musk.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1855702328571253103

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I spent a few weeks working at a contractor who specialized in VA contracts. I put my two week notice in after the first few weeks. There’s no way I could “work” like that. They had teams and teams of people doing the job of a single person at a normal startup. I’ve never seen such bureaucratic waste anywhere in the private sector. It made my stint at Microsoft look like a lean startup by comparison. I talked to them…

I love the narrative that some how “startups are efficient”. I’ve worked at 6 startups, they basically all failed due to “inefficiency”, burned through money before they made money or were acquired. I’ve worked for one major success story, and that was the most inefficient startup of all, they just had some luck and the founder was a great salesman. We literally hired morons at scale to appear bigger and more success…

Most of the startups fail, I hope we don't want that in government things

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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For those who want to have a substantive discussion on the federal budget and believe these cuts are justified, I have a few questions (putting aside questions of constitutionality for this thread): 1. There are claims that federal spending is out of control. How do you square that with the fact that spending as a percentage of GDP is only slightly elevated compared to the historical average going back to at least th…

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Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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Well, we either have a despot or mob rule--hard to have both. Congress has abdicated its role, and the rot is now so plain that even a 78 year old can get the idiot masses to vote him in to do something. The thing about power...it only stays with the people who have the balls to wield it. Congress needs to find their balls or we'll just be back here in another four years.

> Well, we either have a despot or mob rule--hard to have both. It's really not that hard to have that combination, i.e., "authoritarian populism".

You'll note that I used the word despot, and not authoritarian. This was not an accident.

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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For those who want to have a substantive discussion on the federal budget and believe these cuts are justified, I have a few questions (putting aside questions of constitutionality for this thread): 1. There are claims that federal spending is out of control. How do you square that with the fact that spending as a percentage of GDP is only slightly elevated compared to the historical average going back to at least th…

> The US population is aging, which means that 36% slice is going to naturally grow. What do you think should be cut, and how? Old people [1], veterans [2], high earners and homeowners [3] turn out to vote. The only demographic we can cut benefits to are the poor. That's what's happening. (Given partisan polarisation, my guess is Democrats will take an axe to veteran benefits next cycle.) > Why shouldn't the health i…

> absent a progressive corporate tax structure

AFAIK, we had a progressive corporate tax structure prior to Trump’s 2017 TCJA bill.

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