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Re: Bybit loses $1.5B in hack

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> How it it different from what banks do? I often read this sort of comment from crypto-defenders, but is it what banks do? I’m relatively naive about these things, but my impression is that a bank losing this proportion of their assets can’t just ‘pretend’ they have the money, or create ‘new’ money.

That's because they're mistaken. In traditional banking only the central authority can print money, not the individual banks. If someone stole a trillion dollars from JP Morgan, JP Morgan can't make themselves whole by creating a new trillion dollars. The central authority might guarantee the customers of JP Morgan that their money is protected, but they won't print money to make the bank whole.

That's one model/theory for how modern money creation works.

Another is modern monetary theory (MMT), and in that, commercial banks are indeed the primary creators of money, with the central bank playing a technically more passive role.

Still, in either model of money creation (i.e. classical "money multiplier" and MMT), governmental regulators (which can be the central bank or others) do ultimately control the rate of money creation via various mechanisms.

Re: Bybit loses $1.5B in hack

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I have a license to drive a car. Having it doesn't limit my ability to mint crypto.

https://www.dfs.ny.gov/consumers/alerts/Paxos_and_Binance It was approved by the New York State Department of Financial Services (NYDFS).

From your reference:

      The Department has not authorized Binance-Peg BUSD on any blockchain, and Binance-Peg BUSD is not issued by Paxos. 
If you insist, feel free to replace BUSD with an unregulated "stable coin" of your choice. How about FDUSD?

Re: Bybit loses $1.5B in hack

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I saw a quote somewhere: >Crypto is speedrunning the entire evolution of finance to end up at the same place

I saw a quote somewhere: Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The only thing new about crypto is paper has been replaced by electrons. Individuals/banks minting their own money has been tried before. It didn't go well.

However, this quote is usually intended to be a warning, not an opportunity to run all the old scams again.

These people hear it and think "You mean we get to repeat history?!"

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Yes we definitely should have left all the sector unregulated or else how would we make a profit?

I never said that it should be unregulated, just that the sanction applied to BUSD had a political motive. Of course stablecoins are not securities, just like a 20$ note isn't a security.

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https://blockchain-society.science/?p=218 https://ethereumclassic.org/blog/2024-04-03-ethereum-classic... Are those appropriate sources?

I suppose so, however Ethereum Classic is a fork of Ethereum that failed. I don't think it's generally well regarded in the space. I doubt many of the newer entrants to the ecosystem have even heard of it. This would be like finding a quote from some old poorly maintained Linux distribution and attributing quotes from the maintainers as being representative of all kernel developers.

Thanks for a good faith response. This is what makes this website excellent.

While I must admit that I have some anti-cryptocurrency biases, I am also not that familiar with the cryptocurrency world. I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge.

Re: Bybit loses $1.5B in hack

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False. Money on your bank account is backed by bank's assets, not by the central regulator. Recommended reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking , M1 money supply, etc. > The only way to bring stability to the bizarro world of crypto is by tying it to "fiat" False. It's possible to make stable-coins using just price oracle and collateral. "Fiat" is not necessary. E.g. https://www.liquity.org/…

It's possible to make stable-coins using just price oracle and collateral. Most attempts at "algorithmic" stable coins have failed. See TerraDollar, Luna and Titan.

Over-collateralized stables are different from "algorithmic": the algorithmic ones are not fully backed by reserves.

Re: Bybit loses $1.5B in hack

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You pay 1% on Coinbase because they are a quasi monopoly due to regulation. Offshore exchanges take less than 0.1% usually. The neutral rate for perps is 10%, which is lower than the credit card borrowing rate in the USA. And nothing prevents retail investors to earn it by shorting while holding spot. Last, Tether is crypto's most profitable business, and likely the world's most profitable if you account on $ of prof…

Tether is an absolutely remarkable business, indeed. Basically an unregulated bank that pays no interest and follows no KYC/AML/ABC/CTF rules (because they just deal with wholesale, and then the Tethers are transacted on some permissionless "who, me?" blockchain). Remarkable dereliction of responsibility. I don't understand why we let them get away with it.

Yes, that's the concept of crypto. Uncensorable transactions. USDT is used in many countries that have capital controls, shoddy banks, or simply no proper payment infrastructure. Stablecoins work on week ends and are settled instantly. It's a superior form of money compared to what your average bank proposes.

And of course that stablecoin providers conduct AML and KYC when you redeem/mint them. It's like complaining that the gold foundries don't control the secondary market for ingots and gold coins.

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https://www.dfs.ny.gov/consumers/alerts/Paxos_and_Binance It was approved by the New York State Department of Financial Services (NYDFS).

From your reference: The Department has not authorized Binance-Peg BUSD on any blockchain, and Binance-Peg BUSD is not issued by Paxos. If you insist, feel free to replace BUSD with an unregulated "stable coin" of your choice. How about FDUSD?

The sentence right before says "It is important to note that the Department authorized Paxos to issue BUSD on the Ethereum blockchain."

As far as I know Binance ended the Binance-pegged BUSD (the BNB chain version bridged from ethereum) without any problem or holder loss?

Re: Bybit loses $1.5B in hack

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I'm nowhere near expert on any of the things below, but: My gut tells me if an exchange makes as much money as you suggest, people involved in that exchange are making even more profit from the said exchange, otherwise they wouldn't engage. The whole thing being literally money out of thin air, it feels like a huge bubble that should inevitably burst bringing down _ a lot _ of collaterals with it.

Yeah, as a layman this MSTR explainer was an "aha" moment for me: No, what is likely happening with all the convertible bond issues is that MicroStrategy prices the bonds in a manner to attract market neutral hedge fonds, meaning arbitrageurs. Saylor has briefly mentioned these firms, as opposed to firms seeking actual Bitcoin exposure. For issue after issue, they can be spotted as the largest bond holders by anyone…

> Due to the convex nature of the value of the convertible bonds, the hedge funds attempt to profit no matter whether MicroStrategy shares rise or decline.

This sounds exactly like the rationale for the box spreads incident on WSB a couple years ago.

"literally cannot go tits up!"

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