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They would lose some money on services, but would have been the better choice to stand up to the UK government and protect the UK users.
I have a naive question, and it's genuine curiosity, not a defence of what's happening here. This ADP feature has only existed for a couple of years, right? I understand people are mad that it's now gone, but why weren't people mad _before_ it existed? For like, a decade? Why do people treat iCloud as immediately dangerous now, if they didn't before? Did they think it was fully encrypted when it wasn't? Did people no…
Think about it.. You don't even have to be an Apple user to be affected by this issue. If someone backs up their conversations with you to apple cloud, your exchange is now fair game. You get no say in it either. We all lose.
Too right, it was far more problematic than they ever made out. > The UK government's demand came through a "technical capability notice" under the Investigatory Powers Act (IPA), requiring Apple to create a backdoor that would allow British security officials to access encrypted user data globally. The order would have compromised Apple's Advanced Data Protection feature, which provides end-to-end encryption for iCl…
1) tech monopoly strong enough to stand up to G7 nation state demands
2) tech monopoly strong enough to remove itself from G7 nation state jurisdiction?
edit: s/monopoly/empire, apologies
I have a naive question, and it's genuine curiosity, not a defence of what's happening here. This ADP feature has only existed for a couple of years, right? I understand people are mad that it's now gone, but why weren't people mad _before_ it existed? For like, a decade? Why do people treat iCloud as immediately dangerous now, if they didn't before? Did they think it was fully encrypted when it wasn't? Did people no…
Rolling out encryption takes time, so the best I can say is "finally it arrived," and then it was immediately attacked by the U.K. government and has now been disabled over there. I imagine that Apple is also now intimidated to further advertise the feature even here in the U.S. To me this indicates we (technical folks) should be making a much bigger deal about this feature to our non-technical friends.
[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-apple-droppe...
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We are told the encryption keys reside only on your device. But Apple control “your” device so they can just issue an update that causes your device to decrypt data and upload it.
Would just upload the keys
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> abide by the laws and regulations of the countries that they operate in. In this case, the UK is seeking to use local law to change what is allowable on an international basis. That's a bit different than a nation controlling the law on their own soil.
That was Apple's interpretation : That to comply with what the UK requested they would have to have the same thing everywhere. But of course that is nonsense, and Apple could theoretically have a nation-specific backdoor (e.g. for accounts in a given country a separate sequestered decryption key is created and kept in escrow for court order). I mean, Apple "complied" by disabling ADP just in the UK. They undermined t…
Disagree. There is a difference between ADP being unavailable in one country and it working differently in that country. Implementing a backdoor would mean changing the way ADP works.
The nightmare continues. For now I am using 3rd party backup services that are (currently) promising me that my backups are encrypted by a key they do not have access to, or control over. But can this even be believed in an age where these secret notices are being served to any number of companies? I suppose the next step would be to ensure that files don't ever arrive in the cloud unencrypted, but I have yet to see…
IMO the only thing you can have a high level of trust in is your own *nix server. Backup those devices to it then encrypt there before being sent to the cloud.
That doesn't help people who aren't technically capable, of course. But at least those who are can protect themselves.