Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by pjc50 » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 3:22 PM UTC

InsomniacL wrote: post #2

malicious compliance. Providing access when ordered by a court is not as secure so we're removing all encryption?

"If we can't provide this product legally, we're not going to provide it at all" ends up being the only reasonable position in situations like this.

At least this way doesn't compromise users in other countries.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by connorgurney » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 3:22 PM UTC

Really disappointed that our government decided to take such a stance.

What are people using when self-hosting services in the scope of iCloud nowadays? Nextcloud seems the closest comparable service.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by jiriknesl » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 3:23 PM UTC

I wonder, what are the alternatives now?

Tresorit? Self-hosted Nextcloud?

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by pjc50 » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 3:23 PM UTC

princetman wrote: post #10

Retr0id wrote: post #4

As someone currently a citizen of the UK, what are my best emigration opportunities?

Depends on what you’re after * Australia * United States * Singapore * Dubai * Europe (Belgium/Switzerland/Netherlands)

If you're after freedom, you absolutely do not want Singapore or Dubai.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by lrdd » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 3:25 PM UTC

As a citizen, I don’t understand what the UK government thinks they are getting here - other than the possibility of leaks of the nation’s most sensitive data.

Also is it not possible to set up my Apple account outside of the UK while living here?

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by bananapub » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 3:25 PM UTC

princetman wrote: post #10

Retr0id wrote: post #4

As someone currently a citizen of the UK, what are my best emigration opportunities?

Depends on what you’re after * Australia * United States * Singapore * Dubai * Europe (Belgium/Switzerland/Netherlands)

Australia is even more everyone-is-a-cop than the UK, and is doing this exact same shit for the exact same reason.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by ben_w » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 3:27 PM UTC

LuciOfStars wrote: post #7

Not gonna lie, I expected Apple to just kind of roll over and take the blow on this one. Interesting.

If any of the tech firms would resist, it would be Apple.

I wasn't sure which way they'd go.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by readthenotes1 » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 3:27 PM UTC

Retr0id wrote: post #4

As someone currently a citizen of the UK, what are my best emigration opportunities?

Wasn't this in line with JD Vance's European Eulogy last week, that we shouldn't be using 1984 as a playbook?

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by faku812 » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 3:27 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #14

princetman wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on what you’re after * Australia * United States * Singapore * Dubai * Europe (Belgium/Switzerland/Netherlands)

If you're after freedom, you absolutely do not want Singapore or Dubai.

Australia is the worst of all

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by CharlesW » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 3:29 PM UTC

rxyz wrote: post #5

InsomniacL wrote: post #2

malicious compliance. Providing access when ordered by a court is not as secure so we're removing all encryption?

the whole point of ADP is that they cannot provide access

Yes, the parent commenter missed the part where Apple cannot see the encrypted content when ADP is used.