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Please Commit More Blatant Academic Fraud (2021)

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Re: Please Commit More Blatant Academic Fraud (2021)

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Post by black_puppydog »

saagarjha wrote: post #16
GuestFAUniverse wrote: post #7

I am a co-author on a paper I never asked for, but my supervisor insisted, because the petty idea upgrading his desperate try to the point of "considerable at all" came from me. It was a chair which normally prouded itself of only publishing in the most highly regarded journals of its field (internally graded A, B, C). They had a few years without viable paper. Desperate to publish. From my POV this was a D. The pape…

As a co-author are you not able to do so?

Technically being able isn't the same as your career surviving actually going through with it.

Re: Please Commit More Blatant Academic Fraud (2021)

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Post by lgeorget »

bjackman wrote: post #14

> Submitting a paper to a conference because it’s got a decent shot at acceptance and you don’t want the time you spent on it go to waste, even though you’ve since realized that the core ideas aren’t quite correct. I don't see a problem with this? If papers are the vehicle for conference entries why shouldn't authors submit it just because it's wrong? Conferences are for discussion. So go there and discuss it... "My…

In other fields than computer science, that would be more the case I think because conferences are not given as much importance. Journals are what matter and since these publications take more time and are usually more selective (for the well-known journals at least), you tend to have better science in them. Computer science have few journals and the standard of publication is the conference.

Re: Please Commit More Blatant Academic Fraud (2021)

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Post by tonyg »

> Undermining the credibility of computer science research is the best possible outcome for the field, since the institution in its current form does not deserve the credibility that it has.

Horseshit. This might be true for AI research (and even there that's an awfully broad brush you're using, mate), but it's certainly not true for other areas of computer science.

Re: Please Commit More Blatant Academic Fraud (2021)

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Post by somenameforme »

anoncow wrote: post #20
cgcrob wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s any consolation I split up with an ex partner after she wanted to put me as a co-author on a pseudoscience bullshit paper that she was working on to try and hit her quota. Her entire field, in the social sciences, is inventing a wild idea and using meta analysis to give it credibility. Then flying to conferences and submitting expenses. I contributed nothing other than a statistical framework which was discar…

When research is just means to an end... I think as children if we are taught what earning a living means, people who only want to make ends meet would try to do it using other less damaging methods. For e.g., sales and marketing are not bad places for such people. When it comes to research people should know that perhaps money will not be great. It is because we aren't aware of the full picture as children, we follo…

I suspect there's a lot of people that end up pursuing research because they enjoy college and learning with the idea of seeking out a job sounding rather less enjoyable, and more education will just equal more $$$ in said job anyhow, right?

In the past this wasn't an issue because university was seen as optional, now in most places it's ostensibly required to obtain a sufficiently well paying job, and so much more of society ends up on a treadmill that they may not really want to hop off of.

Re: Please Commit More Blatant Academic Fraud (2021)

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Post by sideshowb »

bjackman wrote: post #14

> Submitting a paper to a conference because it’s got a decent shot at acceptance and you don’t want the time you spent on it go to waste, even though you’ve since realized that the core ideas aren’t quite correct. I don't see a problem with this? If papers are the vehicle for conference entries why shouldn't authors submit it just because it's wrong? Conferences are for discussion. So go there and discuss it... "My…

Yes. As the saying goes, If we knew what we were doing it wouldn't be research. Finished papers often have flaws, if you try to write something perfect you may never finish it. They're called limitations and you list them in conclusions and suggest addressing in future work.

(Experience check: I is one)

Re: Please Commit More Blatant Academic Fraud (2021)

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Post by cgcrob »

anoncow wrote: post #20
cgcrob wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s any consolation I split up with an ex partner after she wanted to put me as a co-author on a pseudoscience bullshit paper that she was working on to try and hit her quota. Her entire field, in the social sciences, is inventing a wild idea and using meta analysis to give it credibility. Then flying to conferences and submitting expenses. I contributed nothing other than a statistical framework which was discar…

When research is just means to an end... I think as children if we are taught what earning a living means, people who only want to make ends meet would try to do it using other less damaging methods. For e.g., sales and marketing are not bad places for such people. When it comes to research people should know that perhaps money will not be great. It is because we aren't aware of the full picture as children, we follo…

Yeah that's about right.

I think in some fields you walk into them with some kind of noble ideology, possibly driven by marketing but then you find out it's all bullshit and you're n-years into your educational investment then. Your options are to shrug and join in or write everything off and walk away.

I don't blame people for taking advantage of it but in some areas, particularly health related, there are consequences to society past financial concerns.

Re: Please Commit More Blatant Academic Fraud (2021)

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Post by archi42 »

cgcrob wrote: post #12
GuestFAUniverse wrote: post #7

I am a co-author on a paper I never asked for, but my supervisor insisted, because the petty idea upgrading his desperate try to the point of "considerable at all" came from me. It was a chair which normally prouded itself of only publishing in the most highly regarded journals of its field (internally graded A, B, C). They had a few years without viable paper. Desperate to publish. From my POV this was a D. The pape…

If it’s any consolation I split up with an ex partner after she wanted to put me as a co-author on a pseudoscience bullshit paper that she was working on to try and hit her quota. Her entire field, in the social sciences, is inventing a wild idea and using meta analysis to give it credibility. Then flying to conferences and submitting expenses. I contributed nothing other than a statistical framework which was discar…

I treat all social science degrees as "likely bullshit" these days. Could as well be astrology.

A few computer science friends of mine worked at a social science department during university. Their tasks included maintaining the computers, but also support the researchers with experiment design (if computers were involved) and statistical analysis. They got into trouble because they didn't want to use unsound or incorrect methods.

The general train of thought was not "does the data confirm my hypothesis?" but "how can I make my data confirm my hypothesis?" instead. Often experiments were biased to achieve the desired results.

As a result, these scientific misconduct was business as usual and the guys eventually quit.

Re: Please Commit More Blatant Academic Fraud (2021)

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Post by cess11 »

archi42 wrote: post #29
cgcrob wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s any consolation I split up with an ex partner after she wanted to put me as a co-author on a pseudoscience bullshit paper that she was working on to try and hit her quota. Her entire field, in the social sciences, is inventing a wild idea and using meta analysis to give it credibility. Then flying to conferences and submitting expenses. I contributed nothing other than a statistical framework which was discar…

I treat all social science degrees as "likely bullshit" these days. Could as well be astrology. A few computer science friends of mine worked at a social science department during university. Their tasks included maintaining the computers, but also support the researchers with experiment design (if computers were involved) and statistical analysis. They got into trouble because they didn't want to use unsound or inco…

Sounds like economics.

Research fraud is common pretty much everywhere in academia, especially where there's money, i.e. adjacent to industry.

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