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Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by baobun »

We are ready to donate. Unfortunately, none of the options work: Only credit card or bank wire transfer are accepted.

Arathorn, neiljohnson, thibaultmartin: Could you please provide an option for private and anonymous donations? Throw up a BTC address at least. (For even better exposure while keeping volatility, risk, and overhead at bay, I guess also USDT on SOL+ETH alongside XMR as stretch would be fancy. That USDT would get you access to memecoin gains without having to touch them even with a stick)

Or if you're really feeling prevented from accepting anonymous donations: add a fourth payment integration with a provider who can accept and convert it for you without requiring non-zk KYC on the donor side?

Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by danielspace23 »

edhelas wrote: post #45
Jnr wrote: post #30

I have had only bad experience with its federation and chat clients over many years, I don't think it can improve, if it could, they probably would have fixed it a long time ago. Maybe not a popular opinion, but they should let the Matrix die altogether so something better can replace it.

Like... XMPP ? IETF standard, massivelly used (video-games https://xmpp.org/uses/gaming/ , IM https://xmpp.org/uses/instant-messaging/ , social...), modern features, managed by a fundation with a good ecosystem and plenty of alive projects: https://xmpp.org/software/ . Yes its not perfect, yes there's still things to improve, but the clients are there, working, on many platforms. The server-S (yes several of them!) a…

XMPP in its current state is a mess. The bare protocol is minimal, the things which actually make the thing usable are just a bunch of extensions, barely glued onto the thing, which means that there are clients that implement different features, and you never know if whatever you send will be supported by the receiver (including encryption).

There are a gazillion clients for Android, mostly forks of Conversations implementing slightly different extensions, but like the upstream they fail at being enjoyable to use. I have not found a decent desktop client as of my last attempt.

I seriously think that XMPP is one of the best examples of why the "write protocols, not apps" approach has failed. Without an actual, complete and cohesive reference implementation, that others follow with theirs, there will always be a fragmentation like this, which will always ruin any attempt at mainstream adoption.

Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by Arathorn »

rebeccaskinner wrote: post #56

I really want to like Matrix, and just last weekend I re-downloaded a matrix client and tried to give it another shot. Maybe I'm holding it wrong, but from what I can tell it's suffering from the same problem that all of the fediverse services seem to suffer from: The only thing to talk about is the fediverse itself. Back in the heyday of IRC I spent a lot of time in technical channels on networks that were mostly te…

This is probably because we literally just deleted everything but Matrix-related rooms on the matrix.org room directory to deal with abuse: https://matrix.org/blog/2025/02/curated-room-directories/

Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by Arathorn »

the__alchemist wrote: post #53
Jnr wrote: post #30

I have had only bad experience with its federation and chat clients over many years, I don't think it can improve, if it could, they probably would have fixed it a long time ago. Maybe not a popular opinion, but they should let the Matrix die altogether so something better can replace it.

Concur. Element is embarrassingly buggy.

the old Element apps were; have you tried Element X?

Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by Arathorn »

baobun wrote: post #61

We are ready to donate. Unfortunately, none of the options work: Only credit card or bank wire transfer are accepted. Arathorn, neiljohnson, thibaultmartin: Could you please provide an option for private and anonymous donations? Throw up a BTC address at least. (For even better exposure while keeping volatility, risk, and overhead at bay, I guess also USDT on SOL+ETH alongside XMR as stretch would be fancy. That USDT…

https://matrix.org/docs/older/faq/ has our BTC and ETH addresses:

Bitcoin (address: 1LxowEgsquZ3UPZ68wHf8v2MDZw82dVmAE) Ethereum (address: 0xA5f9a4f9E024F6D727f7afdA9257e22329A97485)

Thank you for being up for supporting - it is very much appreciated!

Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by pzmarzly »

Arathorn wrote: post #40
Jnr wrote: post #30

I have had only bad experience with its federation and chat clients over many years, I don't think it can improve, if it could, they probably would have fixed it a long time ago. Maybe not a popular opinion, but they should let the Matrix die altogether so something better can replace it.

The irony is that I suspect we have fixed it - eg Element X and Matrix 2.0 is a massive step change forwards; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHyHO3xPfQU etc. But I can see why bad experiences in the past would stick.

Only for mobile, no? Element X for desktop is still in development, last time I checked, and the old client is as bad as ever.

Element is the only piece of software where logging in and out (I don't want to be permanently logged in) proved to be too much of a challenge - I was regularly losing encryption keys on different devices.

Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by like_any_other »

> Without Trust & Safety efforts, bad actors and communities would proliferate on the network and make it unlivable for the rest.

What exactly does this mean? How is, say, my friend group chat affected by unconnected "bad communities"? Why do we care if those communities use matrix, or http, or xmpp, or skype?

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