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DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by y1426i »

hiddencost wrote: post #689
y1426i wrote: post #687

The comments here seem mostly against DOGE, but I have seen the waste in these organizations firsthand, and we all pay for it. Musk hopes to cut spending by 10%, but that is only because he is limited in what he can do. A Twitter-style cleanup would at least reduce it by 50%, but it is not feasible. Know that those 10% or 50% directly map to a percentage of your income and lifestyle directly (higher taxes) or indirec…

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I worked for years helping procure government grants and saw how it was used. People who have lived in just one place (aka. California) and have nothing to compare don't realize the amount of waste happening here. The cities that collect the highest taxes have the infrastructure and facilities of a poor town. The prop monies go down the drain or are grossly misspent all the time. DOGE is necessary and needs this level of access and authority to make this scale of change in such a short time.

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Post by tediousgraffit1 »

theultdev wrote: post #717
WesleyJohnson wrote: post #660

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's in the Project 2025 playbook. They're trying to overwhelm everyone so you can't possible keep track of all they're doing. Store security could handle one shoplifter at a time; but when you have a riot and mass looting - you have fewer options and often just step aside and let them loot. Then deal with the mess later. Also - he's a narcissist and he wants all the credit. Also - he's a wannabe dictator, and on his…

Not related to Project 2025, and they have countless times said they aren't associated with that project. But yes, "Flood the Zone" is the strategy to combat Democrat's media and court strategies. It was started by Steve Bannon in 2018, but expanded massively under Stephen Miller. The rest of your post is just hysteria so I won't comment on that.

> Not related to Project 2025, and they have countless times said they aren't associated with that project.

lmao the chief author is the head of the OMB my guy[1]

[1]https://apnews.com/article/trump-russell-vought-confirmation...

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by flycaliguy »

nerdponx wrote: post #499
gattr wrote: post #451

Perhaps the whole situation will finally convince the "I don't mind, I have nothing to hide" crowd about the need to scrutinize & limit as much as reasonably possible the personal data collection and retention by government and other entities. What good are rules, statutes, checks & balances, passwords and ACLs, if at some point someone you don't like or trust can just come in "as a root" and circumvent everything?

The "I don't mind, I have nothing to hide" people are cheering this on. They don't know or care about any of the things you just said.

Best angle with that crowd is that insurance companies are going to screw them over with all the data.

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Post by sandeepkd »

ethagknight wrote: post #782
lucasyvas wrote: post #490

Because there are bigger fish to fry, I think people don’t appreciate the sheer cost of the system rebuild that will be required for security reasons later. There’s absolutely no telling what additional software has been installed alongside existing, or which systems have been modified that would require audit. Purging this will be an absolute fucking nightmare to the American taxpayer. This may turn into one of the…

This is a very dramatic take on something you (and many others) are making extremely broad presumptions upon. It’s clear that DOGE is reviewing payment data and has the same access to various components of the US Govt that Obama’s US Digital Services, created to rebuild the ACA website but also provisioned for a number of other digital services. DOGE has the same access to services that USDS had. USDS was praised for…

There are lessons that people learn over time and come up with best practices to avoid repeating the mistakes. If the intent is to really uncover waste and fraud then one way could have been

1. To ask for READ access to all the data with PII/sensitive scrubbed.

2. Any action to modify the content/data should ideally have followed the existing path/mechanism

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by tiffanyh »

> ‘GOD MODE’ ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT DATA

Isn't this title clickbait?

There's an implication this is access to all government data - but the article doesn't explicitly state that but would lead you to believe that.

Given that I highly doubt all government data is in a single data store ... this is probably more like - GOGE has access to all GSA contracts (just one department) ... which is way less sensationalized (and appropriate for a government agency looking review contracts for efficiency)

Note: I'm not taking a political stance on this.

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Post by gunian »

thih9 wrote: post #519
lucasyvas wrote: post #490

Because there are bigger fish to fry, I think people don’t appreciate the sheer cost of the system rebuild that will be required for security reasons later. There’s absolutely no telling what additional software has been installed alongside existing, or which systems have been modified that would require audit. Purging this will be an absolute fucking nightmare to the American taxpayer. This may turn into one of the…

> The team could then feed this classified information into AI tools, either for training purposes or to mine the data for insights. (Members of DOGE already reportedly have put sensitive data from the Education Department into AI software.) Perhaps it's cheaper to assume everything leaked or will leak soon.

i love when we pretend the NSA is dumb makes my day :)

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Post by eric_cc »

lucasyvas wrote: post #490

Because there are bigger fish to fry, I think people don’t appreciate the sheer cost of the system rebuild that will be required for security reasons later. There’s absolutely no telling what additional software has been installed alongside existing, or which systems have been modified that would require audit. Purging this will be an absolute fucking nightmare to the American taxpayer. This may turn into one of the…

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Post by calebm »

willis936 wrote: post #192
tabakd wrote: post #35

Is there any reason this data shouldn't be public for everyone to read?

You personally are cool with me personally knowing your salary and where you live? Please just post that here right now.

Employers almost always know the salary and location of their employees. Government workers are (in theory) employees of the citizens.

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Post by dragonwriter »

calebm wrote: post #809
willis936 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You personally are cool with me personally knowing your salary and where you live? Please just post that here right now.

Employers almost always know the salary and location of their employees. Government workers are (in theory) employees of the citizens.

> Employers almost always know the salary and location of their employees.

Employers do, individual stockholders of the employing firm do not, generally.

> Government workers are (in theory) employees of the citizens.

No, they are in theory employees of the government, in which the citizenry are stakeholders. They are not, even in theory, direct employees of the citizens.

A US Attorney is not, in theory, your attorney just because you are a US citizen.

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