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Helix: A vision-language-action model for generalist humanoid control

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Re: Helix: A vision-language-action model for generalist humanoid control

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Post by sho_hn »

wwwtyro wrote: post #15

Until we get robots with really good hands, something I'd love in the interim is a system that uses _me_ as the hands. When it's time to put groceries away, I don't want to have to think about how to organize everything. Just figure out which grocery items I have, what storage I have available, come up with an optimized organization solution, then tell me where to put things, one at a time. I'm cautiously optimistic…

Dunno, I would not want to bleed my mental faculties for doing even simple planning work like this by outsourcing it to AI. Reliance on crutches like this would seem like a pathway to early-onset dementia.

Re: Helix: A vision-language-action model for generalist humanoid control

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Post by Symmetry »

swalsh wrote: post #60

At this point, this is enough autonomy to have a set of these guys man a howitzer (read as old stockpiles of weapons we already have). Kind of a scary thought. On one hand, I think the idea of moving real people out of danger in war is a good idea, and as an American i'd want Americans to have an edge... and we can't guarantee our enemies won't take it if we skip it, on the other hand I have a visceral reaction to ma…

They don't look strong enough to pick up a 155mm shell even with both arms - and we haven't seen them pick up something with two arms.

Re: Helix: A vision-language-action model for generalist humanoid control

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Post by KolmogorovComp »

hooverd wrote: post #69
ziofill wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean to use their time to pursue their passions and interests, not cleaning up the kitchen or making the bed or doing laundry...

Given time to "pursue their passions and interests", most people chose to turn their brain to soup on social media.

but most people think they are better than most people.

Re: Helix: A vision-language-action model for generalist humanoid control

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Post by Symmetry »

pr337h4m wrote: post #22

Goal 2 has been achieved, at least as a proof of concept (and not by OpenAI): https://openai.com/index/openai-technical-goals/

They can put away clutter but if they could chop a carrot or dust a vase they'd have shown videos demonstrating that sort of capability.

EDIT: Let alone chop an onion. Let me tell you having a robot manipulate onions is the worst. Dealing with loose onion skins is very hard.

Re: Helix: A vision-language-action model for generalist humanoid control

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Post by exe34 »

mmh0000 wrote: post #75
causal wrote: post #67

I'm always wondering at the safety measures on these things. How much force is in those motors? This is basically safety-critical stuff but with LLMs. Hallucinating wrong answers in text is bad, hallucinating that your chest is a drawer to pull open is very bad.

The thing in the video moves slower than the sloth in Zootopia. If you die by that robot, you probably deserve it.

or if you're old, injured, groggy from medication, distracted by something/someone else, blind, deaf or any number of things.

it's easy to take your able body for granted, but reality comes to meet all of us eventually.

Re: Helix: A vision-language-action model for generalist humanoid control

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Post by meowkit »

sho_hn wrote: post #91
wwwtyro wrote: post #15

Until we get robots with really good hands, something I'd love in the interim is a system that uses _me_ as the hands. When it's time to put groceries away, I don't want to have to think about how to organize everything. Just figure out which grocery items I have, what storage I have available, come up with an optimized organization solution, then tell me where to put things, one at a time. I'm cautiously optimistic…

Dunno, I would not want to bleed my mental faculties for doing even simple planning work like this by outsourcing it to AI. Reliance on crutches like this would seem like a pathway to early-onset dementia.

Already playing out, anecdotally to my experience.

Its similar to losing callouses on our hands if you don’t labor/go to the gym.

Re: Helix: A vision-language-action model for generalist humanoid control

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Post by [deleted] »

01100011 wrote: post #86
ziofill wrote: post #6

There’s nothing I want more than a robot that does house chores. That’s the real 10x multiplier for humans to do what they do best.

I'd pay $2k for something that folds my laundry reliably. It doesn't need arms or legs, just like my dishwasher doesn't need arms or legs. It just needs to let me dump in a load of clean laundry and output stacks of neatly folded or hung clothing.

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Re: Helix: A vision-language-action model for generalist humanoid control

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Post by porphyra »

It seems that end to end neural networks for robotics are really taking off. Can someone point me towards where to learn about these, what the state of the art architectures look like, etc? Do they just convert the video into a stream of tokens, run it through a transformer, and output a stream of tokens?

Re: Helix: A vision-language-action model for generalist humanoid control

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Post by mclau156 »

ziofill wrote: post #89
mmh0000 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called a "house cleaner" and they only cost ~$150 (area and all varies) bi-weekly. I'll shit a brick (and then have the robot clean it up) if a robot is ever cheaper than ~$4000/yr.

Yeah, but a robot will work 24/7, not 2h byweekly -_-

do you need a robot to work in your house 24/7?
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