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DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by thunky »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #638

Another very negative long-term effect of all of this is how is the government going to recruit talent in the future? How many people, who have good prospects elsewhere, are going to work for a government agency -- usually a lower pay -- to put up with shit like this that doesn't even happen in industry? Would you? Sure there are sometimes mass layoffs that are handled pretty badly in industry, but not these Gestapo-…

> How many people, who have good prospects elsewhere, are going to work for a government agency -- usually a lower pay -- to put up with shit like this that doesn't even happen in industry? Would you?

You could remove the "to put up with shit like this" part and the answer would still be "nobody". You have to remove the "who have good prospects elsewhere" part for it to make sense.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by whymeogod »

misiti3780 wrote: post #702
vezycash wrote: post #624

My two cents. God-mode privilege already existed before DOGE, someone else had (or still has) this privilege. Priority - How to limit power of such privilege in future.

Yes, and the chances of that person being technically smarter than the DOGE is close to zero.

Well, yes, because 1 is pretty close to zero, on a scale of 0 to infinity. However, if you look at their actual technical skilz:

The incompetence at DOGE is staggering. Absolutely no security on their .gov webiste: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43045835

can't even get mail merges to work, see some of their emails terminating people. Telling people to sign the doc and then not attaching the doc.

The search for 'probationary' employees failing 3 times because they didn't check the definition of the term.

No, technical competence really isn't DOGE's strong point.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by dontparticipate »

misiti3780 wrote: post #704
russdill wrote: post #618

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already been a thing for quite some time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Inspector_General_(U... They are independent of the things they review, they find inefficiency, overspending, fraud, and embezzlement. They make their reports public and work with transparency. There are also other similar departments like CIGIE. There have been very substantial results. What DOGE is doing is not finding inefficien…

We are 35 trillion dollars in debt - we are broke. We have go cut costs if we want to avoid catastrophe in the medium term.

There's a body of government explicitly built to do exactly that and given exactly that power in the constitution. It's called Congress.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

misiti3780 wrote: post #704
russdill wrote: post #618

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already been a thing for quite some time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Inspector_General_(U... They are independent of the things they review, they find inefficiency, overspending, fraud, and embezzlement. They make their reports public and work with transparency. There are also other similar departments like CIGIE. There have been very substantial results. What DOGE is doing is not finding inefficien…

We are 35 trillion dollars in debt - we are broke. We have go cut costs if we want to avoid catastrophe in the medium term.

If we are broke then why do people buy our debt? It's obviously more complex than you make it sound.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by whymeogod »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #633

A huge problem with this is that from all accounts, these engineers going in don't seem to have any accountability. No one knows who is in charge and making the decisions (presumably Musk though official statements say he's not the DOGE administrator, but no one knows who is), they come into offices like an FBI raid demanding access but won't give reasons, say who is in charge, what they are doing, or even their name…

> official statements say he's (Musk) not the DOGE administrator, but no one knows who is

That's because they believe in maximum transparency.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by jhp123 »

ganoushoreilly wrote: post #668
arrosenberg wrote: post #629

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren’t auditing or thoroughly reviewing shit. They're stealing the data and then waving their hands about non-existent crimes and nickel and dime levels of misappropriated or weird spending.

I understand you're frustrated because of who and what. Do you have any direct evidence they are stealing data? I see a lot of these responses that are emotional but at a factual basis it doesn't appear that way. Just as raw un restricted read/write access is constantly alleged, but we have in turn found out that isn't the case. I really think we're getting to a point where people are too hyper emotional and sensatio…

> Just as raw un restricted read/write access is constantly alleged, but we have in turn found out that isn't the case.

Marko "normalize Indian hate" Elez did have read/write access, as DOGE lawyers admitted in court after first claiming that he did not[0].

[0] https://thehill.com/business/5141149-former-doge-employee-ed...

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by Kapura »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #638

Another very negative long-term effect of all of this is how is the government going to recruit talent in the future? How many people, who have good prospects elsewhere, are going to work for a government agency -- usually a lower pay -- to put up with shit like this that doesn't even happen in industry? Would you? Sure there are sometimes mass layoffs that are handled pretty badly in industry, but not these Gestapo-…

That is the entire point. They want a government that nobody wants to work for so that regulations on cars, rocket launches, and securities will stop bothering their profits.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by Kapura »

derektank wrote: post #658
insane_dreamer wrote: post #638

Another very negative long-term effect of all of this is how is the government going to recruit talent in the future? How many people, who have good prospects elsewhere, are going to work for a government agency -- usually a lower pay -- to put up with shit like this that doesn't even happen in industry? Would you? Sure there are sometimes mass layoffs that are handled pretty badly in industry, but not these Gestapo-…

We've needed reforms to civil service and the general schedule pay scale specifically for a long time now. One can hope that a future Congress could write a bill that resets government hiring and compensation practices in the wake of this administration, but perhaps that's a fantasy at this point.

it's cute you think congress is in control right now.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by mkolodny »

lucasyvas wrote: post #490

Because there are bigger fish to fry, I think people don’t appreciate the sheer cost of the system rebuild that will be required for security reasons later. There’s absolutely no telling what additional software has been installed alongside existing, or which systems have been modified that would require audit. Purging this will be an absolute fucking nightmare to the American taxpayer. This may turn into one of the…

> security reasons later

What about security reasons now? The federal government includes the military. Giving DOGE “God mode” on the federal government is a national security risk right now.

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