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DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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If you want accountability someone needs to have root access. If you don't want accountability, you are a politician getting kickbacks through obfuscation.

That someone needs accountability themselves. Musk is not elected, his role isn’t defined. Really, he’s a patsy, he can do what he does, fortify his corporations, maybe trim some waste, have a falling out with Trump (it’s inevitable) and then trump blames him for the damage.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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post #451

Perhaps the whole situation will finally convince the "I don't mind, I have nothing to hide" crowd about the need to scrutinize & limit as much as reasonably possible the personal data collection and retention by government and other entities. What good are rules, statutes, checks & balances, passwords and ACLs, if at some point someone you don't like or trust can just come in "as a root" and circumvent everything?

The "I don't have anything to hide" argument usually misses that you can't know today what you should be hiding from the government tomorrow.

You have everything to hide by default and the onus is on every actor to prove why they need information and how it's isolated from other information.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are laws, but you will get fired if you try to follow them, and lawsuits to remedy that take time. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/usaid-sec...

Easy for me to say, but I would like to think I would say, "Fire me, assholes." And have a good story for the grand children.

obviously your young family would already be grown then.. and the house paid off?

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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post #201

IMHO it's a bit of a shame that the productivity and efficiency gains that computing and cybernetics can bring to complex systems -- including government -- are always tainted and currently championed by anti-social elites that use them to break apart these collective machines. Bureaucracies are a common good, and it should be in everyone's interest to apply state-of-the-art system engineering to make them as valuabl…

Bureaucracy is always risk averse. Without outside intervention, they will always try to operate as before.

> Bureaucracy is always risk averse. Without outside intervention, they will always try to operate as before.

Same with your body, by the way.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So how is this any different from all the random employees who might have access to this data as part of their jobs? Are you asking why it's any different a non-American billionaire who has multipole government contracts having access to your data any different than Joe Bob who was hired and vetted by those same people unlike the other guy?

> a non-American billionaire This is false. Elon Musk has South African, Canadian, and US citizenship. Let's not play the xenophobia card.

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Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Government should have access to its own data. Justice and Congress should have the same access for oversight. The only problem I see is personal data about non-government people is being exposed to the entire planet.

They should have developed good security practices first and maybe spent more than a week reviewing a plan, and not having a double standard about their own activities.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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They will twist the narrative and not provide any evidence. I appreciate your request but please don’t be naive. Have you heard of trolling?

There is widespread fraud in the government. It needs to be addressed. There is widespread inefficiency too. I think the people in DOGE have the skills and access to address it. I have no evidence that they are doing so, and some evidence of widespread loyalty tests which, while not identical, remind me of how Stalin came to power. However, absence if evidence is not evidence of absence, and some evidence is not the…

I'm sure the 5 people investigating Musk's companies for wasteful spending were all fired because they were fraudulent.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Because there are bigger fish to fry, I think people don’t appreciate the sheer cost of the system rebuild that will be required for security reasons later. There’s absolutely no telling what additional software has been installed alongside existing, or which systems have been modified that would require audit. Purging this will be an absolute fucking nightmare to the American taxpayer. This may turn into one of the…

> The team could then feed this classified information into AI tools, either for training purposes or to mine the data for insights. (Members of DOGE already reportedly have put sensitive data from the Education Department into AI software.)

Perhaps it's cheaper to assume everything leaked or will leak soon.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Honestly when DOGE was first announced, I thought it will be a tiny department that does almost nothing and produces recommendations and PDFs that nobody reads. I didn't expect this.

Read the Bufferfly Revolution by Curtis Yarvin (April, 2022) > We’ve got to risk a full power start—a full reboot of the USG. We can only do this by giving absolute sovereignty to a single organization—with roughly the powers that the Allied occupation authorities held in Japan and Germany in the fall of 1945. > Trump himself will not be the brain of this butterfly. He will not be the CEO. He will be the chairman of…

For context, this is Moldbug, the leading voice in the "Dark Enlightenment" movement. Basically he convinced the tech bros this was a good idea
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