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DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Does anyone else see the eery comparison between the name DOGE (department of government efficiency) and the things Orwell warned about in 1984? It seems very prescient, but I know this isn't the first time in history that regimes have played this game.

It did cross my mind ( like ministry of truth in 1984). But I suspect it's just a coincidence. Overall I think, in my judgement DM/EM have been transparent, at least significantly more than their detractors.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If _anyone_ in the executive branch has access to information, it feels like the presidents office should too. Are you an idiot? Can you point to the last time some foreigner was given access to American's personal data without any oversight?

Elon Musk has Canadian, US, and South-African citizenship

Yes, when you're not from this country (a foreigner), you need a citizenship card to reside and work here (or a visa). Thanks for verifying that for me.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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post #451

Perhaps the whole situation will finally convince the "I don't mind, I have nothing to hide" crowd about the need to scrutinize & limit as much as reasonably possible the personal data collection and retention by government and other entities. What good are rules, statutes, checks & balances, passwords and ACLs, if at some point someone you don't like or trust can just come in "as a root" and circumvent everything?

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Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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What's Elon's beef with USAID? I would think he would go after something like food stamps first owing to his libertarian ethos. Maybe he sees USAID as a completely benevolent handout and a waste of money? I cannot begin to understand why.

They'll work their way up to anti-constitutional attacks on everything else if they get a chance, USAID is their starting point because it's a softer target in a few ways: 1. The people who'll suffer or die from their mal-management will generally be faraway foreigners, as opposed to people voters know. 2. More of the victims have a much more difficult time launching any kind of lawsuit in US courts. 3. It has a smal…

Ironically USAID might help Americans more than foreign folks, and disproportionately Trump’s own supporters - if the money is being spent to buy American products, particularly food, that is then shipped overseas.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If _anyone_ in the executive branch has access to information, it feels like the presidents office should too. Are you an idiot? Can you point to the last time some foreigner was given access to American's personal data without any oversight?

Elon Musk has Canadian, US, and South-African citizenship

So it’s okay because he’s rich?

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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post #451

Perhaps the whole situation will finally convince the "I don't mind, I have nothing to hide" crowd about the need to scrutinize & limit as much as reasonably possible the personal data collection and retention by government and other entities. What good are rules, statutes, checks & balances, passwords and ACLs, if at some point someone you don't like or trust can just come in "as a root" and circumvent everything?

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Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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I find it wild that apparently there is no law onto which government workers can cling to refuse these requests. Is it all just based on conventions, goodwill and culture?

Democracy is held together by people willing to follow the rules. In Trump's first administration they realized the trick is to just move so fast that you flood the system and can do whatever you want before anyone sees through all the noise or has a chance to stop you. Steve Bannon was interviewed on camera saying as much.

Here's Bannon's quote verbatim -- "I said, all we have to do is flood the zone. Every day we hit them with three things. They’ll bite on one, and we’ll get all of our stuff done, bang, bang, bang. These guys will never—will never be able to recover. But we’ve got to start with muzzle velocity."

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Because there are bigger fish to fry, I think people don’t appreciate the sheer cost of the system rebuild that will be required for security reasons later.

There’s absolutely no telling what additional software has been installed alongside existing, or which systems have been modified that would require audit. Purging this will be an absolute fucking nightmare to the American taxpayer.

This may turn into one of the most significant IT incidents in world history.

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