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DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by mexicocitinluez »

imafish wrote: post #65
thebeardisred wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is generally quite restricted. I personally had to undego a "Public trust" civilian security clearance (which is binding for life unlike the 75 years of TS-SCI).

And do we know the DOGE employees don’t undergo this?

lol

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c93q625y04wo

I already know the answer to this, but if Obama had George Soros hire a bunch of anti-white people to oversee the Doge systems, would you still be supporting it? Or it's okay because you're white and the people are in charge are white.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by alistairSH »

bdd8f1df777b wrote: post #385
eecc wrote: post #201

IMHO it's a bit of a shame that the productivity and efficiency gains that computing and cybernetics can bring to complex systems -- including government -- are always tainted and currently championed by anti-social elites that use them to break apart these collective machines. Bureaucracies are a common good, and it should be in everyone's interest to apply state-of-the-art system engineering to make them as valuabl…

Bureaucracy is always risk averse. Without outside intervention, they will always try to operate as before.

But is that a problem? Or is that functioning as intended?

Generally speaking, I want my government to be stable, predictable, and consistent over fairly long time horizons.

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Post by marcosdumay »

mexicocitinluez wrote: post #401
kombine wrote: post #262

"In the coming weeks, the team is expected to enter IT systems at the CDC and Federal Aviation Administration, and it already has done so at NASA" If this isn't a glaring conflict of interest and corruption, I don't know what is.

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> Even though there isn't a single moment in history they can point to that's similar

In US history, maybe. But you can look at the raise to power of almost any dictatorship, you'll find the same exact concep of cleptocrats taking unrestricted access to whatever entity used to fight them.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by redeux »

djaychela wrote: post #395
_1tem wrote: post #384

Well, it is a government agency tasked with audits. Why shouldn't it have root access?

Is it an actual government agency? From what I've (casually) read, it's an ad-hoc thing that isn't actually genuinely legitimate, from that standpoint?

Technically DOGE is part of the United States Digital Service (USDS)

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Post by mexicocitinluez »

marcosdumay wrote: post #433
mexicocitinluez wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Even though there isn't a single moment in history they can point to that's similar In US history, maybe. But you can look at the raise to power of almost any dictatorship, you'll find the same exact concep of cleptocrats taking unrestricted access to whatever entity used to fight them.

> But you can look at the raise to power of almost any dictatorship, you'll find the same exact concep of cleptocrats taking unrestricted access to whatever entity used to fight them.

Good point.

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Post by [deleted] »

dzdt wrote: post #320

Related to a comment on a now-flagged subthread: can anyone who believes that DOGE is uncovering fraud please post a reliable reference that gives a specific example of fraud uncovered by DOGE? To be clear, this should be a third-party analysis of some credibility, not DOGE's or Musk's twitter feed or "receipts" website which shows cancelled contracts with no clear link to fraudulent activity.

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Post by patapong »

Etheryte wrote: post #242
willis936 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You personally are cool with me personally knowing your salary and where you live? Please just post that here right now.

That might sound incredibly foreign to you, but this is the norm in many Nordic countries, see Norway, Sweden and Finland, for a start. Tax returns for everyone are public, and so are addresses through a national registry.

Yep! In Sweden, this is part of the constitution. I think it beautifully demonstrates that the state works for the public, and that all information held by the state should by default also be accessible to members of the public, unless there is an important exception, such as personal medical privacy or national security.

It acts as a great tool for journalists, who are able to obtain meaningful insight into the actions of the state at all levels. While of course there are downsides, I think this is a very important principle.

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Post by larrywright »

chasd00 wrote: post #319
scarab92 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[dupe]

Yeah 99% is sour grapes from the other team. I like what doge has turned up so far and will give them the benefit of the doubt. My wife is a long time liberal Democrat and even she admits the main problem is Musk is just doing out in the open what is usually done behind closed doors and people don’t like it.

I think what you mean to say is that you like what doge has claimed to have found so far. Unfortunately it doesn’t hold up to even the slightest scrutiny.
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