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~/.osx updated — sensible hacker defaults for OS X Mountain Lion

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Re: ~/.osx updated — sensible hacker defaults for OS X Mountain Lion

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That's not buggy, that's a text file with it's executable bit set, which is actually potentially dangerous.

Not if you're opening it in a text editor.

If you double click a malicious file disguised as a txt file, it won't necessarily open in a text editor.

Re: ~/.osx updated — sensible hacker defaults for OS X Mountain Lion

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defaults write com.apple.LaunchServices LSQuarantine -bool false This is a terrible idea. If your browser, or anything else, is ever conned into downloading and opening a file, the quarantine is the difference between "what the fuck, why is an executable I've never launched before trying to launch?" and silently getting owned.

Sorry - this is total security theater. I download almost everything from the net - how else would I install? CD? Floppy? Telling me that it's downloaded from the internet doesn't do anything to identify that it's dangerous and so I ignore the warning. Under what circumstance would I go "whoa, maybe it's dangerous this time"??? Mac's don't have auto-install .exe files. Yet we get warning for everything from JPEGs to…

The point is that you might not know you had downloaded the file, or that it was executing. Imagine you're surfing the Web one day and all of a sudden this warning pops onto your screen. It would be nice to know that something downloaded from the Internet is trying to execute itself.

Re: ~/.osx updated — sensible hacker defaults for OS X Mountain Lion

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It's not arbitrary though. The point was to move away from the metaphor of moving the window around a document to just manipulating the document directly as you do in iOS. Granted it's not as obviously the right thing when touch is not involved, but it is the right thing.

Why did no one notice the supposed wrong behavior in 10.6? No one is fingering their OS X displays.

As far back as 10.3 on my iBook, I had the scroll direction reversed, with a utility that also enabled two finger scrolling on the trackpad.

The "standard" way of doing it never made sense to me, even with a mouse scroll wheel. I scrolled down and the page would go up--how did that ever makes sense?

Re: ~/.osx updated — sensible hacker defaults for OS X Mountain Lion

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Why did no one notice the supposed wrong behavior in 10.6? No one is fingering their OS X displays.

You've answered your own question. The last time someone really thought about scroll direction was when they invented the scroll wheel. The implementors associated it with the motion of the position indicator in the scrollbar rather than the motion of the document. The reason this is wrong is because it's an unnecessary indirection from the document itself. At the time computers could not documents quickly enough to…

While it may be wrong in theory, changing it meant that all muscle memory developed by users thus far was thrown out of whack.

What was the gain for disorienting the users by introducing a new default? An improvement in acceptance by users who had only used tablets and phones but never PC's? Is that a large set?

Re: ~/.osx updated — sensible hacker defaults for OS X Mountain Lion

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post #77

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Not when you confirm the dialog over and over to the point of being conditioned to it - when confirmation becomes an automatic response on the users part, it's no longer serving them.

But it's not. At least, I only see that after a reinstall, or maybe once a month, when I want to install something cool and new.

I see it all the time with documents.

Re: ~/.osx updated — sensible hacker defaults for OS X Mountain Lion

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You've answered your own question. The last time someone really thought about scroll direction was when they invented the scroll wheel. The implementors associated it with the motion of the position indicator in the scrollbar rather than the motion of the document. The reason this is wrong is because it's an unnecessary indirection from the document itself. At the time computers could not documents quickly enough to…

While it may be wrong in theory, changing it meant that all muscle memory developed by users thus far was thrown out of whack. What was the gain for disorienting the users by introducing a new default? An improvement in acceptance by users who had only used tablets and phones but never PC's? Is that a large set?

Consistency. It takes a few days to get used to then you have consistency across the Apple platform for the rest of time.

Re: ~/.osx updated — sensible hacker defaults for OS X Mountain Lion

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Why did no one notice the supposed wrong behavior in 10.6? No one is fingering their OS X displays.

As far back as 10.3 on my iBook, I had the scroll direction reversed, with a utility that also enabled two finger scrolling on the trackpad. The "standard" way of doing it never made sense to me, even with a mouse scroll wheel. I scrolled down and the page would go up--how did that ever makes sense?

It made sense when the only thing that would animate in real time was the little position indicator in the scrollbar.

Re: ~/.osx updated — sensible hacker defaults for OS X Mountain Lion

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There's no way for LaunchServices to know, a priori, whether a given executable file's default app is going to perform a safe editing operation, or execute its contents. Now, you could hardcode a list of "safe" apps, or add some kind of "I swear I'm safe" declaration to the app's plist, but that has its own set of problems. A one-time "this seems funky to me, are you actually intending to do this?" is a simple and sa…

I think they just want something to complain about and aren't actually on mac os. I've already seen a number of examples which are simply fairy tales. (Such as claiming they're being prompted when opening ordinary jpg files.) That said, even the author notes that this is designed to be forked. It's not a script to run on one's own machine blindly, the idea being to exclude what is not to your taste/while demonstratin…

yep definitely hell banned :)

Re: ~/.osx updated — sensible hacker defaults for OS X Mountain Lion

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I much prefer natural scrolling, but the 10.6 standard has the same thing going for it as vim: it works everywhere. I gave up trying to reverse the scrolling in Windows with AutoHotkey, it was a mess. :(

WizMouse has been working quite well for me on Windows.

Does it handle horizontal scrolling with the trackpad? That was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.
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