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In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

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Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

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Post by shykes »

wamatt wrote: post #51
ramanujan wrote: post #42

One strategy for Yahoo: Turn Google's strengths into weaknesses by opening up all of Yahoo's products (Search, Mail, Finance, Maps, Sports, News) to developers to be maximally programmable. Allow developers to monetize in any way they feel like (aside from fraud) and let them link together apps in creative mashups. This links together YQL, Yahoo Pipes, YUI, BOSS, and several other existing Yahoo technologies into Yah…

Interesting... Mozilla and Yahoo would make a good strategy, considering Google/Mozilla relationship has cooled in recent years. I like your Github/Meteor suggestion as well, albeit unlikely that either of those companies would take money or influence from Yahoo. Also don't think Marissa Mayer has the vision for these sort of changes, although hope I'm wrong on this.

Yahoo already has a real-time javascript framework of its own: http://developer.yahoo.com/cocktails/mojito/

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

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Post by mbell »

nl wrote: post #64
ramanujan wrote: post #42

One strategy for Yahoo: Turn Google's strengths into weaknesses by opening up all of Yahoo's products (Search, Mail, Finance, Maps, Sports, News) to developers to be maximally programmable. Allow developers to monetize in any way they feel like (aside from fraud) and let them link together apps in creative mashups. This links together YQL, Yahoo Pipes, YUI, BOSS, and several other existing Yahoo technologies into Yah…

Turn Google's strengths into weaknesses by opening up all of Yahoo's products (Search, Mail, Finance, Maps, Sports, News) to developers to be maximally programmable. This sounds great, in a handwavy way. In practice though I'd like to hear specifics about what Yahoo could/would offer that Google doesn't already? Search: https://developers.google.com/custom-search/v1/overview Mail: https://developers.google.com/google…

> Maps: Seriously? I'm not even going to bother linking to the Google Maps API

There is a reason many have transitioned to OSM based data and tile hosting services: price. The Google Maps API is no longer the "no-brainer" that it once was among developers.

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

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Post by ahi »

filip01 wrote: post #46
ramanujan wrote: post #42

One strategy for Yahoo: Turn Google's strengths into weaknesses by opening up all of Yahoo's products (Search, Mail, Finance, Maps, Sports, News) to developers to be maximally programmable. Allow developers to monetize in any way they feel like (aside from fraud) and let them link together apps in creative mashups. This links together YQL, Yahoo Pipes, YUI, BOSS, and several other existing Yahoo technologies into Yah…

For the record, Mozilla is a 501(c)(3).

501(c)(3)s can be sold to for-profits. It's just a little complicated as an appropriate recipient for the purchase $$$ needs to be found among other things.

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

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Post by pfedor »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #39
Tichy wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought DuckDuckGo relies on Bing for searching?

Amongst others, Blekko also provides results for them on occasion (disclaimer I work for Blekko)

Isn't Blekko also powered by Bing? It had the same result for hiybbprqag.

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

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Post by bborud »

ktizo wrote: post #61
bborud wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you want one? The Internet has become too big for a Table of Contents to make any sense anymore.

The universe is much bigger than the internet and reference encyclopedias are still useful and popular.

You are talking about our knowledge of the universe. Our knowledge of the universe is a lot smaller than the entire contents of the Internet (sad, but ultimately true).

There is a reason why directories died and search took their place. Directories, in the form we know them, do not scale. There are far more people who would work to fill them with junk than there are people who would work to create order from chaos.

And then there's the question of how you remain objective.

And isn't Wikipedia really the answer to what you want? If you want a directory of ... well, not the Internet, but at least of our knowledge? It may not primarily be a link farm, but it usually provides a good starting point for most topics.

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

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Post by voidfiles »

Free food is a big idea. As a one time Yahoo, I was shocked. This shows to me that Mayer is going to be different. I am not sure if every CEO previous to her had this choice, but none of them did it. It either proves that the board has given her a lot of leeway, or all the others have been weak kneed.

Seriously, food is a big deal, someone at my orientation asked a VP why we didn't get free food. She answered by explaining that the only people who liked the free food were the employees, and that share holders didn't like the free food, and that we work for the shareholders. With that everyone clapped. I remembered at the time that free food sounded good, especially because I was about the become a Yahoo employee.

So, I hope this is like the Canary in the coal mine, but in reverse.

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

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Post by Cushman »

antidoh wrote: post #63
breckinloggins wrote: post #30

So given all the hubbub lately I decided to visit Yahoo.com for the first time in years. I'm not really Yahoo's target audience, but my second-first impressions are: - That little "Make Yahoo! your homepage" thing that slides down and moves the rest of the content with it has got to go (especially considering there's a "Make Y! your homepage" link RIGHT below it). - Clicking on the dot in the exclamation point still…

"there's SO MUCH STUFF on the front page" I haven't been there for a long time, so I went there to follow your critique, and my first thought was WTF is all this? This is like a 90s site map, with pictures.

I also checked the site out for the first time in a while. My first thought: "This looks like AOL.com."

But of course I haven't been to AOL in forever either, maybe they've changed. So I checked them out too. Yep, can't tell the difference.

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

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Post by waterlesscloud »

voidfiles wrote: post #76

Free food is a big idea. As a one time Yahoo, I was shocked. This shows to me that Mayer is going to be different. I am not sure if every CEO previous to her had this choice, but none of them did it. It either proves that the board has given her a lot of leeway, or all the others have been weak kneed. Seriously, food is a big deal, someone at my orientation asked a VP why we didn't get free food. She answered by expl…

Wow, what an awful, awful answer that was from the VP.

The shareholders probably didn't like her salary either, did it get cut?

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

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Post by velodrome »

breckinloggins wrote: post #30

So given all the hubbub lately I decided to visit Yahoo.com for the first time in years. I'm not really Yahoo's target audience, but my second-first impressions are: - That little "Make Yahoo! your homepage" thing that slides down and moves the rest of the content with it has got to go (especially considering there's a "Make Y! your homepage" link RIGHT below it). - Clicking on the dot in the exclamation point still…

I use Yahoo all the time. Here are my complaints (which many yahoo users always complain about in the comment section):

-No consistency across sites

-They censor a lot of the comments

-The comment system never works right

-The comment system constantly switches from facebook comments to yahoo comments.

-A lot of the services don't work right (like retrieving portfolio data). Sometime it works, other times it does not.

-They are really heavy on the ads

-They need a better video player. They are testing a new one...not sure if it is good or not. The old one uses a lot cpu 60%.

-The search sucks

-Too much Kardasians/Jersey Shore crap. They need better quality/fresh content.

-The Ymail needs catch up to Gmail/Hotmail. I mean no SSL when accessing mail?

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

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Post by coopdog »

antidoh wrote: post #63
breckinloggins wrote: post #30

So given all the hubbub lately I decided to visit Yahoo.com for the first time in years. I'm not really Yahoo's target audience, but my second-first impressions are: - That little "Make Yahoo! your homepage" thing that slides down and moves the rest of the content with it has got to go (especially considering there's a "Make Y! your homepage" link RIGHT below it). - Clicking on the dot in the exclamation point still…

"there's SO MUCH STUFF on the front page" I haven't been there for a long time, so I went there to follow your critique, and my first thought was WTF is all this? This is like a 90s site map, with pictures.

I wonder if they're optimising for profitability (while aiming to only keep user retention steady), or if this is really what the target users want.

I read anywhere that pages in japan are supposed to be chock full, you don't want any white space. Incidentally Yahoo Japan is very popular (although it does have different management, yahoo US only have as minority stake in it). There could be types of users elsewhere in the world who want the same kind of thing

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