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Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by kemayo »

OptionOfT wrote: post #85
bayindirh wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think camera is equally interesting. Why? It uses a linear zoom like a classic lens design inside and embeds an optical 2x zoom lens into a smaller area. From the press release: > With an integrated 2x Telephoto, users have the equivalent of two cameras in one, and can zoom in with optical quality to get closer to the subject and easily frame their shot.

Isn't this the first time they have an actual zoom lens vs multiple lenses and thus CMOS? Edit: reading below it's still unsure if they actually have a lens that moves back & forth to achieve the zoom.

It's probably the same as the 2x zoom in the iPhone 16 line. The 1x pictures are a 48MP sensor that does some pixel-combining to output a 12MP image. The 2x pictures are a crop of 12MP in the center of the sensor, that doesn't do any combining. So it's still "optical", but it's lower-quality than the 1x.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by lotsofpulp »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #81
lotsofpulp wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like the 12 mini was objectively a subpar device, and maybe if 13 mini had come out first (after a long hiatus of not having smaller phones), then there might have been a chance. But probably not.

You're assuming most people even read the spec sheet and knew it was inferior on paper. I assure you, most did not. Most just looked at it, decided "too small," and that's about it.

I meant the people who wanted a small phone experienced it, and were disappointed, and it gained a bad reputation, potentially turning off others who also wanted a small phone.

There was a big gap (5+ years?) between the small iPhone SE and the 12 mini, so a lot of people jumping on 12 mini and being disappointed by the small phone may have resulted in disappointing sales of 13 mini.

But I’m sure the phone sellers know what they are doing, it just would have been nice to even be able to still buy a 13 mini. None of the new phones have any capabilities I care about.

Edit to respond to below:

I am not assuming that, I am actually assuming the opposite. There may have been pent up demand due to the long gap between the small iPhone SE and 12 mini, so when the 12 mini came out and disappointed, people who had been waiting to upgrade chose a non mini reducing the total number of minis sold. And then the 13 mini was discontinued by the time those people needed a new phone.

But again, probably wishful thinking on my part.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by OptionOfT »

mperham wrote: post #37

Whoa, shipping their own baseband modem for the first time, skipping the Qualcomm tax. That's huge, even for Apple.

I'm interested to see how these perform at the edge of reception, which still is a massive drain. Before I had an iPhone with satellite reception, turning on airplane mode when hiking was essential for battery life.

My current iPhone (and I had to check which one I have...) actually is much more sticky to satellite. It wont switch back to cellular immediately.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #112
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming most people even read the spec sheet and knew it was inferior on paper. I assure you, most did not. Most just looked at it, decided "too small," and that's about it.

I meant the people who wanted a small phone experienced it, and were disappointed, and it gained a bad reputation, potentially turning off others who also wanted a small phone. There was a big gap (5+ years?) between the small iPhone SE and the 12 mini, so a lot of people jumping on 12 mini and being disappointed by the small phone may have resulted in disappointing sales of 13 mini. But I’m sure the phone sellers kn…

You're assuming that people upgrade phones every year, which (again) most do not. A badly received 12 mini would have almost no broad market effect on the sales of the 13 mini. Not unless most iPhone sales are by word of mouth.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by lapcat »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #57
lapcat wrote: post #14

iPhone SE: $429, 4.7-inch display, 5.45 x 2.65 x 0.29, 5.09 ounces iPhone 16e: $599, 6.1-inch display, 5.78 x 2.82 x 0.31, 5.88 ounces This is a major downgrade in every way for people who want the smallest possible iPhone.

However, as the iPhone 12 and 13 mini demonstrated, the people who like small phones are a very vocal but extremely small minority (only 3% of US sales were the mini). They both sold so badly, it serves as a reality check for how small voices on the internet are compared to the market.

This is all relative. In absolute terms, the iPhone SE alone would be one of the most successful products in the world, more successful than the original iPhone back in the day.

iPhone as a category is so massive now that small percentages are still millions of people.

It's kind of sad that Apple itself has become so huge, because now the company ignores people it used to care about.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by 999900000999 »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #64

How possible is it for there to be a "disruptor" to the smartphone market? I think Apple's selling point is the app ecosystem, but I personally don't use apps all that much. Just a few big ones and they're all just for communication: FB Messenger, WhatsApp, SIM, SnapChat. And the web browser, maps. I'm 27. Why can't someone just manufacture a screen, some buttons, little computer, then software for communication and…

The lightphone is an option.

A few lower end black and white screen Android phones exist, and that seems closer to what you want.

I have some other obligations to handle, but the iPhone 16e looks perfect for me. You can replace so much music production gear with an IOS device. Can legit plug in a microphone and record a full album, which just isn't really their on Android.

It's beyond frustrating, but on IOS you have amazing music production, and Android is like 10 years behind. I wish Apple would offer a musicians edition with a headphone jack ( I'd literally pay an extra 150$) , but that's never going to happen...

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by jmkni »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #57
lapcat wrote: post #14

iPhone SE: $429, 4.7-inch display, 5.45 x 2.65 x 0.29, 5.09 ounces iPhone 16e: $599, 6.1-inch display, 5.78 x 2.82 x 0.31, 5.88 ounces This is a major downgrade in every way for people who want the smallest possible iPhone.

However, as the iPhone 12 and 13 mini demonstrated, the people who like small phones are a very vocal but extremely small minority (only 3% of US sales were the mini). They both sold so badly, it serves as a reality check for how small voices on the internet are compared to the market.

I guess a lot of people don't really have a computer or laptop anymore, their phone is their computer which they use for everything, so it makes sense to want as big a screen as possible.

For the kinds of people who frequent HN, I'd wager we all do have a computer, heck there's probably a laptop in your backpack right now, so it makes sense to have a smaller phone for 'phone stuff' and whip out your laptop to do anything more involved.

Still though, surely Apple made money from the mini, even 3% of iPhone sales is a lot of phone sales! I wish they would keep it around.

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