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Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by bayindirh »

OptionOfT wrote: post #85
bayindirh wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think camera is equally interesting. Why? It uses a linear zoom like a classic lens design inside and embeds an optical 2x zoom lens into a smaller area. From the press release: > With an integrated 2x Telephoto, users have the equivalent of two cameras in one, and can zoom in with optical quality to get closer to the subject and easily frame their shot.

Isn't this the first time they have an actual zoom lens vs multiple lenses and thus CMOS? Edit: reading below it's still unsure if they actually have a lens that moves back & forth to achieve the zoom.

This is the first time they use linear (classic zoom) design. The previous one was a 90-degree periscope design. From 16 Pro Max specifications:

> 12MP 5x Telephoto: 120 mm, ƒ/2.8 aperture and 20° field of view, 100% Focus Pixels, seven-element lens, 3D sensor-shift optical image stabilization and autofocus, tetraprism design. 5x optical zoom in, 2x optical zoom out; 10x optical zoom range

An image showing what they did earlier: https://i.4pda.ws/s/as6yz0d0FvbZniF2YYSyZ3z2HOWajz2.jpg

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by dopamean »

batata_frita wrote: post #97
ksec wrote: post #75

It is an iPhone 16, inside iPhone 14 Body, Single Camera from iPhone 16, with iPhone 14 OLED Screen, Apple Modem, Without UWB, Minus 1 GPU Core on A18, 7.5W MagSafe Charging same as iPhone 14. Wifi 6 instead of Wifi 7 on iPhone 16. However at $599, higher than the rumoured $499 or $549 pricing. iPhone 14 previously at $599 and iPhone SE at $429 are now gone. Getting rid of iPhone 14 and iPhone SE as they are both usi…

Great description. But what is UWB?

ultra wide band

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

jeffbee wrote: post #93
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

However, as the iPhone 12 and 13 mini demonstrated, the people who like small phones are a very vocal but extremely small minority (only 3% of US sales were the mini). They both sold so badly, it serves as a reality check for how small voices on the internet are compared to the market.

In what universe would you leave that market share on the table?

If they're going to buy a regular iPhone for $100 more anyway, and the likelihood they buy a small Android instead is near zero (what small Android?), then yes, I absolutely would say to cut it and simplify the engineering, manufacturing, and checkout process.

If you start serving every 4% of needs in each product category, watch the portfolio balloon to catastrophic proportions. The very principle of the thing is anti-Apple; they would quickly become Samsung, complete with Samsung level naming schemes and weird decision making. Next thing you know, we'll have the Apple Vacuum Cleaner, the Apple Door Lock, the Apple Ice Cream Scoop, the Apple Exterior Camera, and so on.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by jasode »

new_vienna wrote: post #42

It seems that this will cannibalize iPhone 16 sales - it's $200 cheaper, same form factor and internals, with the only difference being the camera, which if you care about you go for the Pro model. However, the price makes for a much more appealing upgrade for anyone who has an older iPhone

>, with the only difference being the camera, which if you care about you go for the Pro model.

Some people may care a little extra for an ultrawide lens and spending more for the cheaper iPhone 16 with 2 lenses of regular + ultrawide is enough for that. Don't have to get the more expensive Pro model.

The Pro model adds a 3rd lens for optical "true" telephoto instead of digitized "fake" telephoto and increases the resolution on the ultrawide.

It's also not clear from from the Apple press release if the 16e has a macro mode. The regular iPhone 16 (not Pro) has macro.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by [deleted] »

batata_frita wrote: post #97
ksec wrote: post #75

It is an iPhone 16, inside iPhone 14 Body, Single Camera from iPhone 16, with iPhone 14 OLED Screen, Apple Modem, Without UWB, Minus 1 GPU Core on A18, 7.5W MagSafe Charging same as iPhone 14. Wifi 6 instead of Wifi 7 on iPhone 16. However at $599, higher than the rumoured $499 or $549 pricing. iPhone 14 previously at $599 and iPhone SE at $429 are now gone. Getting rid of iPhone 14 and iPhone SE as they are both usi…

Great description. But what is UWB?

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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by jjice »

batata_frita wrote: post #97
ksec wrote: post #75

It is an iPhone 16, inside iPhone 14 Body, Single Camera from iPhone 16, with iPhone 14 OLED Screen, Apple Modem, Without UWB, Minus 1 GPU Core on A18, 7.5W MagSafe Charging same as iPhone 14. Wifi 6 instead of Wifi 7 on iPhone 16. However at $599, higher than the rumoured $499 or $549 pricing. iPhone 14 previously at $599 and iPhone SE at $429 are now gone. Getting rid of iPhone 14 and iPhone SE as they are both usi…

Great description. But what is UWB?

Ultra Wide Band - it's how AirTags and other things give you that precise finding feature, I believe.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

What does the e stands for? Eviscerated? :)

It would be nice to put the last few years of developments since his death into a silicon brain and ask the digital Steve Jobs his thoughts on the current state of affairs.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by bob1029 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #72
datadrivenangel wrote: post #34

Why are small phones not economical for major flagship phone developers? Obviously more expensive phones generate more revenue, but the reduced bill of materials on smaller phones should allow a better profit margin? Mostly I just want a phone that is comfortable in my hands.

Because nobody buys them. Apple tried with the iPhone 12 mini, and the iPhone 13 mini. They were only 5% of phones sold globally, and only 3% of phones sold in the US. The desire for small phones is an internet thing, but not backed by the market. Take it as a reality check for how internet opinions can be mostly irrelevant.

At the scale of Apple, is a specific device configuration that 'only' meets the needs of 3% of their market economically unviable? Did they build a whole special factory just for the slightly smaller device?

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by jayrot »

jsheard wrote: post #50
Tomte wrote: post #9

Pro: action button Con(?): 60 Hz And the price hike again shows that Apple is the master of the "for just a few hundred dollars more, you can get...“ upsell to bigger iPhones.

60hz is really taking the piss at this point, if they must reserve 120hz for the Pro line then the least they could do is use 90hz further down the stack.

The obvious problem with that is that 90hz is just as good as 120hz for 95% of people. (60hz is as good as 90hz for probably 70%)

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by calebm »

_gotb wrote: post #6

Oh boy, a 6.1 inch screen. "Popular". Ugh. RIP any hopes of a small SE refresh.

Back in my day, new advancements meant smaller phones. Hopefully we get back there soon. Till then, I'm sticking with my iPhone 12 mini.
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