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In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

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Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

#41

I'd be more interested in what she's decided he WON'T change. What redeeming qualities does Yahoo have? (That's not a rhetorical question; I'm genuinely interested.)

Lots of content that attracts lots of traffic from all over the world. The people that create that content.

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

#42
One strategy for Yahoo:

Turn Google's strengths into weaknesses by opening up all of Yahoo's products (Search, Mail, Finance, Maps, Sports, News) to developers to be maximally programmable. Allow developers to monetize in any way they feel like (aside from fraud) and let them link together apps in creative mashups. This links together YQL, Yahoo Pipes, YUI, BOSS, and several other existing Yahoo technologies into Yahoo as the platform for the Open Web.

If Marissa wanted to really push hard on this: buy Blekko, take a big stake in Github, buy Mozilla, and possibly buy Meteor and/or DerbyJS. That gives you a tech stack which is pretty strong in search, best of class among developers, pretty strong in browsers, and the future of web development. Then let developers knit the pieces together and give them contractual terms which stipulate you won't go up the stack at them like Facebook, Apple, and Twitter did if their apps are successful.

Basically, if Apple represents ultimate centralization and Google is somewhat open, turn Yahoo into the ultra open, monetizable platform for the web. They have the traffic, they could make this a very attractive proposition for developers.

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

#43
post #7

Yahoo gave up on being a technology leader when they killed their own search. If I was Mayer I would buy DuckDuckGo and say fuck it, we're taking on Google.

DDG is just a skinned version of Bing. But surely you knew that, right, since you're offering advice to people?

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's not been a good simple general directory since yahoo stopped being one. Search is one thing, structured reference is different. Though it is a much more difficult problem now and would need a completely different approach to achieve it.

The Y! Directory is still alive @ http://dir.yahoo.com/ . Also, the Open Directory Project has been around for years and years, http://www.dmoz.org/ . A few clicks around reminds me why directories were made obsolete.

A few clicks around just makes me wonder why no-one has presented the data any better.

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

#45
post #7

Yahoo gave up on being a technology leader when they killed their own search. If I was Mayer I would buy DuckDuckGo and say fuck it, we're taking on Google.

Isn't DDG just Bing w/ some logic to bump up anything that shows up in various authoritative sites like Wikipedia? Yahoo already uses Bing.

From a thread on DDG's community site DDG uses Yahoo Boss (not sure if that's Bing powered now) but I would bet anything it can fall over to Bing without too many issues. It came up during a discussion of the new Bing pricing which should come into affect in 2 days or so. DDG does crawl some things directly as well (DuckDuckBot) but its nowhere close to the scope of Bing/Google. DDG also does meta searchs using API's such has,

http://duckduckgo.com/?q=hn+Marissa+Mayer+Googifies+Yahoo

http://duckduckgo.com/?q=copperhead+road+lyrics

http://duckduckgo.com/?q=code+perl+%3D~

The top zero click result is from other sources on the web (disclosure the last one comes from my site).

The only search engine I have found which gets close to this is VerticalSet although with the new Bing pricing I am not sure how long it will exist for now.

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

#46

One strategy for Yahoo: Turn Google's strengths into weaknesses by opening up all of Yahoo's products (Search, Mail, Finance, Maps, Sports, News) to developers to be maximally programmable. Allow developers to monetize in any way they feel like (aside from fraud) and let them link together apps in creative mashups. This links together YQL, Yahoo Pipes, YUI, BOSS, and several other existing Yahoo technologies into Yah…

For the record, Mozilla is a 501(c)(3).

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

#47
post #7

Yahoo gave up on being a technology leader when they killed their own search. If I was Mayer I would buy DuckDuckGo and say fuck it, we're taking on Google.

Isn't DDG just Bing w/ some logic to bump up anything that shows up in various authoritative sites like Wikipedia? Yahoo already uses Bing.

yes, there's a lot of misconceptions here on hn about what DDG actually is. Indexing the web, now, is beyond the capabilities and budget of individuals, you need the resources and backing of a company like google, ibm or microsoft to do so. DDG is federated search, not a search engine. While they might crawl a few sites, it's Bing that you're seeing in the result, the work of Microsoft engineers (along with any remaining PowerSet guys.)

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

#48
post #46

One strategy for Yahoo: Turn Google's strengths into weaknesses by opening up all of Yahoo's products (Search, Mail, Finance, Maps, Sports, News) to developers to be maximally programmable. Allow developers to monetize in any way they feel like (aside from fraud) and let them link together apps in creative mashups. This links together YQL, Yahoo Pipes, YUI, BOSS, and several other existing Yahoo technologies into Yah…

For the record, Mozilla is a 501(c)(3).

Maybe just try and get actively involved in Mozilla.

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

#49
It sounds good. This may give her the moral authority to make less popular changes down the track - she's signalling that she wants to make the place like Google, which will make the troops more sympathetic to anything she does.

Re: In Week Two, Marissa Mayer Googifies Yahoo

#50
post #43
post #7

Yahoo gave up on being a technology leader when they killed their own search. If I was Mayer I would buy DuckDuckGo and say fuck it, we're taking on Google.

DDG is just a skinned version of Bing. But surely you knew that, right, since you're offering advice to people?

It has crawling as well, just currently it is falling back to Bing outside of its core competencies.
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