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The Disappointing Surprise From Apple

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Re: The Disappointing Surprise From Apple

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No wonder the space program has stalled! Your friend's memory has failed him, usenet bears no resemblance to rss in anyway. Usenet was a discussion forum, rss is link syndication.

In the early days of RSS, Dave Winer himself compared RSS to Usenet, so it's not a completely ignorant thing to say. Except for the mailing list, RSS is the only relatively-heavily-used thing on the internet that shares Usenet's "openness" virtue: namely, there is no single "gatekeeper" organization that a reader must rely on to follow the authors in his RSS feed -- the sudden trouble that the OP experienced when upg…

I remember back the late 90's when these formats were being created (I was involved with cdf's inception) and while I'm sorry this woman has been disrupted with mountain lion's removal of rss from the mail app, I disagree with you on the claim that rss is anything like usenet. Rss is, like cdf, a content delivery format which is just a simple agreed upon set of XML tags for title, snippet and so on. If rss had discussion or comment capability, it might be reasonably compared to usenet, but rss has nothing in common with usenet as it stands, it's a one-way protocol, I subscribe, or I publish, there's no discussion, as there is with usenet. In that it's open, with no single gatekeeper, it is no different to http, but comparing rss to http would also be pointless.

Re: The Disappointing Surprise From Apple

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They also kicked the web-Sharing configuration. :( I got to work and wondered why my localhost did not respond. I installed mountain lion the night before. so I thought I have to re-enable websharing but couldn't found the confit anymore. After some googling I got the answer: it has moved to a so called "Server" App for round about $20. It provides many things I didn't use ... and the "old" websharing. :/ Remember St…

Apache is there, and on my system it was running after an install. What is gone is the UI to start and stop it and the configuration that makes ~/user/Sites available under http://localhost/user. I haven't tried, but I guess the httpd.conf~previous file I find in /etc/apache2 could be used to revert those changes.

Re: The Disappointing Surprise From Apple

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I still use it too. It's the only RSS reader I can find for OS X that lets me set it up in my preferred "River of News" display format (what NNW calls 'combined view'). All feeds in one big stream, no 3-panel Mail-style separation of titles and content. Just scroll and read. If anyone knows a cleaner, less ugly, less buggy RSS reader for OS X that can display feeds in this way, I'd love to hear about it.

Reeder. It unfortunately syncs with Google, but otherwise, it's tops.

Really? Nothing in any screenshots suggest it can be set up this way.

Instead it looks like there's a list of synopses on the left which you must click to view a full story on the right?

Re: The Disappointing Surprise From Apple

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I don't understand what the article is about. Is she trolling for page views? I don't understand why she considers herself "violated" by Apple. Don't people make backups anymore?

> I don't understand what the article is about. The article is pretty clear. She was using Mail app for rss feeds and the upgrade seemed to totally delete her rss feeds and her subscriptions. Mail app upgrade should have checked if the user has subscribed to RSS, and could have exported the feeds and subscriptions. The least the upgrade could have done to notify the user to manually export the feeds and subscriptions…

Never mentioned I disagreed with her. Where did you get that assumption?

Re: The Disappointing Surprise From Apple

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Your work is not in vain, it's not as if everyone is going to switch to Mountain Lion anyway, if we look at the poor adoption numbers of Lion. http://imgb.mp/ivu.jpg

A lot of that is because of the hardware that supported Snow Leopard that wasn't supported in Lion. I'm one of those. Contrary to popular belief, no not all and probably most Mac users do not replace their MacBooks every year or two. I will be using Snow Leopard until the hardware I have completely dies.

Hear, hear. I have just recently donated (to a friend) a fully functional (and very fast) early '06 Mac Mini with an SSD upgrade running 10.6.

6 years has been kind to that machine, with minimal upgrades (RAM 3 years ago, SSD and 10.6 last year).

Re: The Disappointing Surprise From Apple

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Reeder. It unfortunately syncs with Google, but otherwise, it's tops.

Really? Nothing in any screenshots suggest it can be set up this way. Instead it looks like there's a list of synopses on the left which you must click to view a full story on the right?

I navigate without mousing:

https://homonculus.net/images/reeder.png

What Reeder shows on the left is the summary of the article; one can read the original by right arrowing. Many of my feeds put the full article into the summary. I navigate up and down the list (which is all of my feeds sorted by date ascending) with the j/k keys. I don't know how NNW does it. Or did it.

Re: The Disappointing Surprise From Apple

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Really? Nothing in any screenshots suggest it can be set up this way. Instead it looks like there's a list of synopses on the left which you must click to view a full story on the right?

I navigate without mousing: https://homonculus.net/images/reeder.png What Reeder shows on the left is the summary of the article; one can read the original by right arrowing. Many of my feeds put the full article into the summary. I navigate up and down the list (which is all of my feeds sorted by date ascending) with the j/k keys. I don't know how NNW does it. Or did it.

It sounds nice and all, but it's definitely not a River of News style reader.

RoN style is one pane, all of the stories from all feeds laid out, newest to oldest, in one pane, and you just scroll through them reading when something looks interesting. Think the way planet aggregators work.

Re: The Disappointing Surprise From Apple

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post #146

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I navigate without mousing: https://homonculus.net/images/reeder.png What Reeder shows on the left is the summary of the article; one can read the original by right arrowing. Many of my feeds put the full article into the summary. I navigate up and down the list (which is all of my feeds sorted by date ascending) with the j/k keys. I don't know how NNW does it. Or did it.

It sounds nice and all, but it's definitely not a River of News style reader. RoN style is one pane, all of the stories from all feeds laid out, newest to oldest, in one pane, and you just scroll through them reading when something looks interesting. Think the way planet aggregators work.

Got it. I'd like that, actually. I approximate it now, but I'm not concerned with the feeds themselves, just the new items. Hmm.

Re: The Disappointing Surprise From Apple

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It sounds nice and all, but it's definitely not a River of News style reader. RoN style is one pane, all of the stories from all feeds laid out, newest to oldest, in one pane, and you just scroll through them reading when something looks interesting. Think the way planet aggregators work.

Got it. I'd like that, actually. I approximate it now, but I'm not concerned with the feeds themselves, just the new items. Hmm.

There's an actual app called River of News for the iPad that does it quite well, but no Mac version, sadly.

NNW can be configured to work this way, but it's a bit clunky. Everything else I've seen seems to go with a standard Mail-type setup.

Re: The Disappointing Surprise From Apple

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> I don't understand what the article is about. The article is pretty clear. She was using Mail app for rss feeds and the upgrade seemed to totally delete her rss feeds and her subscriptions. Mail app upgrade should have checked if the user has subscribed to RSS, and could have exported the feeds and subscriptions. The least the upgrade could have done to notify the user to manually export the feeds and subscriptions…

Never mentioned I disagreed with her. Where did you get that assumption?

> Never mentioned I disagreed with her. Where did you get that assumption?

>> I don't understand what the article is about. Is she trolling for page views? I don't understand why she considers herself "violated" by Apple. Don't people make backups anymore?

Let's try this again. She complained an upgrade shouldn't have made her existing rss feeds and subscriptions inaccessible.

You said you don't understand what the article is about, she is trolling and implied what's the fuss about since everybody should make backups.

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