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In a last-minute decision, White House decides not to terminate NASA employees

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Re: In a last-minute decision, White House decides not to terminate NASA employees

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Post by azinman2 »

smitty1e wrote: post #28
patagurbon wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The great thing about everything that isn't cancer is we don't need to throw babies out with bath water

The US Government is an ugly baby discovering the reality of Stein's Law[1]. Is DOGE optimal? Very obviously not. The Tea Parties failed to trigger reform. Trump may also fail; it's way too early to tell, and the foes get a "vote". But the raw chaos that the was the Obama/Biden destination would likely be worse. The voters can weigh in next year at the mid-terms. Start your candidates. Recommendation: offer a coheren…

> But the raw chaos that the was the Obama/Biden destination would likely be worse.

How were either of those admins raw chaos, especially compared to Trump before or now as he dismantled the government haphazardly?!

Re: In a last-minute decision, White House decides not to terminate NASA employees

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Post by palmotea »

Which just shows that DOGE is a lie, and not about government "efficiency" or cost savings. NASA is arguably a giant waste of taxpayer dollars. Very little of its activity tangibly benefits the vast majority of Americans, and much of what it does do could easily be replaced with a generative AI model that produces new space pictures for desktop backgrounds. The entire space exploration and manned spaceflight activities could be cut, and no one would notice.

But Musk sells rockets, so it's not waste. QED.

Re: In a last-minute decision, White House decides not to terminate NASA employees

#33

Post by sebazzz »

palmotea wrote: post #32

Which just shows that DOGE is a lie, and not about government "efficiency" or cost savings. NASA is arguably a giant waste of taxpayer dollars. Very little of its activity tangibly benefits the vast majority of Americans, and much of what it does do could easily be replaced with a generative AI model that produces new space pictures for desktop backgrounds. The entire space exploration and manned spaceflight activiti…

You wrapped propaganda that NASA is useless nicely with a rant about DOGE and conflicts of interest.

NASA is not useless. Just look up how many innovations literally came from the ISS. And that is just one part of it.

Re: In a last-minute decision, White House decides not to terminate NASA employees

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Post by insane_dreamer »

palmotea wrote: post #32

Which just shows that DOGE is a lie, and not about government "efficiency" or cost savings. NASA is arguably a giant waste of taxpayer dollars. Very little of its activity tangibly benefits the vast majority of Americans, and much of what it does do could easily be replaced with a generative AI model that produces new space pictures for desktop backgrounds. The entire space exploration and manned spaceflight activiti…

You don’t know much about NASA.

Re: In a last-minute decision, White House decides not to terminate NASA employees

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Post by soco »

azinman2 wrote: post #31
smitty1e wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US Government is an ugly baby discovering the reality of Stein's Law[1]. Is DOGE optimal? Very obviously not. The Tea Parties failed to trigger reform. Trump may also fail; it's way too early to tell, and the foes get a "vote". But the raw chaos that the was the Obama/Biden destination would likely be worse. The voters can weigh in next year at the mid-terms. Start your candidates. Recommendation: offer a coheren…

> But the raw chaos that the was the Obama/Biden destination would likely be worse. How were either of those admins raw chaos, especially compared to Trump before or now as he dismantled the government haphazardly?!

You maybe didn't notice that all those Obama/Biden critics happen in an imaginary future, the same way all Trump proponents argument with an imaginary past.

Re: In a last-minute decision, White House decides not to terminate NASA employees

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Post by soco »

palmotea wrote: post #32

Which just shows that DOGE is a lie, and not about government "efficiency" or cost savings. NASA is arguably a giant waste of taxpayer dollars. Very little of its activity tangibly benefits the vast majority of Americans, and much of what it does do could easily be replaced with a generative AI model that produces new space pictures for desktop backgrounds. The entire space exploration and manned spaceflight activiti…

Right, that's how generative AI is gonna be solving all humanity problems - with desktop backgrounds.

Re: In a last-minute decision, White House decides not to terminate NASA employees

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Post by smitty1e »

soco wrote: post #35
azinman2 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the raw chaos that the was the Obama/Biden destination would likely be worse. How were either of those admins raw chaos, especially compared to Trump before or now as he dismantled the government haphazardly?!

You maybe didn't notice that all those Obama/Biden critics happen in an imaginary future, the same way all Trump proponents argument with an imaginary past.

As I said;

> The voters can weigh in next year at the mid-terms.

But the Bidenistas haven't even dealt with last November, to speak of the actual past.

Re: In a last-minute decision, White House decides not to terminate NASA employees

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Post by janice1999 »

ourmandave wrote: post #21

The level of incompetence is breathtaking. Last Thursday they fired several hundred people at the NNSA with no notice, and then had to walk it back by Friday night when they realized that's the people that oversee the fucking nukes. “The DOGE people are coming in with absolutely no knowledge of what these departments are responsible for,” Daryl Kimball said to The Associated Press, executive director of the Arms Cont…

It's not incompetence, it's exactly what was planned.

> Russell Vought, President-elect Trump’s pick to lead the Office of Management and Budget, has expressed plans to put career civil servants “in trauma” under a second Trump administration so that they dread coming into work and quit. “When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains,” says Vought.

https://peer.org/commentary-the-federal-workforce-isnt-so-bl...

Re: In a last-minute decision, White House decides not to terminate NASA employees

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Post by throw0101d »

ourmandave wrote: post #21

The level of incompetence is breathtaking. Last Thursday they fired several hundred people at the NNSA with no notice, and then had to walk it back by Friday night when they realized that's the people that oversee the fucking nukes. “The DOGE people are coming in with absolutely no knowledge of what these departments are responsible for,” Daryl Kimball said to The Associated Press, executive director of the Arms Cont…

> Last Thursday they fired several hundred people at the NNSA with no notice, and then had to walk it back by Friday night when they realized that's the people that oversee the fucking nukes.

Last Thursday is old news. Yesterday's headline was "USDA accidentally fired officials working on bird flu and is now trying to rehire them":

* https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/usda-accidentally-fire...

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