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South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by rs186 »

kelnos wrote: post #55
sitkack wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WhatsApp is secured by Signal encryption

WhatsApp is a closed-source client that you cannot trust to faithfully and correctly implement the protocol, or be free of backdoors that allow Meta to snoop on your conversations.

At least according to Meta's marketing, WhatsApp is E2E encrypted. And they make ads just for this -- you can literally see billboards in NYC that advertises the encrypted messaging part of the product. It would completely destroy WhatsApp and Meta's brand if there is a backdoor somewhere. Well, Meta is never a great company to begin with, but nobody would ever lie about it and destroy their brand this way.

And I truly believe Meta has an incentive to do so. They had to reveal a conversation on Facebook Messenger on the topic of abortion after the police asked for it, which resulted in someone put in jail. Regardless of Meta's (or rather Zuck's) ever changing political position, they don't want to have liability over anything like this. They want to walk away and just say to the cops, look it's all encrypted, there's nothing we can share with you.

Better keep conspiracy theories to yourself. It's ok to question things, but better back that up with evidence.

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by aboardRat4 »

yalogin wrote: post #51

Shouldn't this be the other way around? TikTok has the most user data for any LLM to train with. I bet they will make a killing with it, unless of course the CCP decrees that they share it for free.

Firstly, Bytedance is far more than just Tiktok.

Secondly, most data in China is shared among most companies anyway, because, firstly, the government (not necessarily CCP) orders most companies to share data with "technological leaders" and "strategically important" companies, and secondly because computer security is mostly an alien concept to Chinese.

Copyright (broadly speaking, most restrictions on unrestricted dissemination if data) is what is killing the US economy.

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by tough »

pepinator wrote: post #70
ivewonyoung wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's just one more reason that Chinese models will not be legal in the US in the near future This isn't about the model, it's about the mobile app. The open source model weights are different from the website and the app. The model cannot track you. Not just Congress, even techies can be confused about these things.

Yes, exactly, what the guy above was saying is that they're just looking for excuses to keep people from using the Chinese thing.

Protectionism can be dumb, if competition from china is decimation the US LLM market, making the cheaper better competitors illegal sounds like sound advice to someone like trump, probably?

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by awnird »

rs186 wrote: post #71
kelnos wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WhatsApp is a closed-source client that you cannot trust to faithfully and correctly implement the protocol, or be free of backdoors that allow Meta to snoop on your conversations.

At least according to Meta's marketing, WhatsApp is E2E encrypted. And they make ads just for this -- you can literally see billboards in NYC that advertises the encrypted messaging part of the product. It would completely destroy WhatsApp and Meta's brand if there is a backdoor somewhere. Well, Meta is never a great company to begin with, but nobody would ever lie about it and destroy their brand this way. And I tru…

Mark Zuckerberg famously had a term for people like you who trusted him.

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by globalnode »

varenc wrote: post #31

Some missing context is that the data is shared via the DeepSeek app's use of ByteDance analytics/configuration frameworks. So not a backroom deal where DeekSeek handed over the chat history for its user base, but rather ongoing analytics data being sent from the DeepSeek mobile app. Here's the SecurityScoreCard article that brought attention to this: https://securityscorecard.com/blog/a-deep-peek-at-deepseek/#... Be…

Yeah they act holier than thou when someone else takes data but then turn around and do it themselves, I think that's called hypocrisy. Besides, once data goes to your ISP its gone, aren't we better off just limiting data that we want to keep private?

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by ahoog42 »

varenc wrote: post #31

Some missing context is that the data is shared via the DeepSeek app's use of ByteDance analytics/configuration frameworks. So not a backroom deal where DeekSeek handed over the chat history for its user base, but rather ongoing analytics data being sent from the DeepSeek mobile app. Here's the SecurityScoreCard article that brought attention to this: https://securityscorecard.com/blog/a-deep-peek-at-deepseek/#... Be…

We analyzed the iOS app[1] and observed similar traffic as well as a number of basic security issues (hardcoded encryption keys, use of 3DES and some traffic over HTTP).

[1] https://www.nowsecure.com/blog/2025/02/06/nowsecure-uncovers...

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by rs186 »

awnird wrote: post #75
rs186 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least according to Meta's marketing, WhatsApp is E2E encrypted. And they make ads just for this -- you can literally see billboards in NYC that advertises the encrypted messaging part of the product. It would completely destroy WhatsApp and Meta's brand if there is a backdoor somewhere. Well, Meta is never a great company to begin with, but nobody would ever lie about it and destroy their brand this way. And I tru…

Mark Zuckerberg famously had a term for people like you who trusted him.

In case this is not clear enough: you'd better come up with some real arguments with concrete evidence, or move on. Nobody has time for meaningless speculation.

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by alexey-salmin »

Plot twist: all these people sharing on twitter yet another creative way of mentioning Xi and Tiananmen in a conversation without triggering the protection (count to 11 in roman numbers, leetspeak etc) were in fact collecting the training data for the nextgen LLM-based protection. Well played!
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