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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by arjunaaqa »

ben_w wrote: post #507
numpad0 wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that OpenAI subscription is $200 per month, and "Premium Plus" subscription that includes this thing is only $40 per month, does that mean instantaneous "Elon factor" is now at least -$160 per month per user, or is it supposed to be added up to more than -$240 per month? How would the math change after factoring in that OpenAI isn't even covering entirety of opex with the sub anyway, and/or people finding…

Given how fast-moving the field is, it's very difficult to confidently state how much inference costs. Perhaps he's under-charging, perhaps OpenAI is over-charging, one may be more optimised than the other, but new models come out and change everything in less time than is normally takes for actual costs to become public knowlege.

Yes, better to avoid annual subscriptions.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by b59831 »

moolcool wrote: post #904
cryptoegorophy wrote: post #873

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What's wrong with DOGE? How is eliminating bureaucracy/spending a bad thing? This has been done about 100 years ago, research on what happened after. It feels like people that scream the loudest are the ones leaching from the system.

What's wrong? Let me count the ways. - Much of the spending they're eliminating is good and important (E.g. USAID). - The way they're cutting is reckless (They accidentally fired nuclear safety workers). - Many of the workers are Musk sycophants, who were hired from Twitter/Tesla/SpaceX. - There's a tremendous conflict of interest in this agency being run by a massive government contractor (NASA and the military are…

First two points are pretty much the same and ignore all nuance.

Third point is opinion, at best.

Forth point; couldn't this be said about any politician?

Fifth point; So you're saying that no outside group is capable of auditing.

I'll stop there. You've drank the koolaid.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by tmpz22 »

JackYoustra wrote: post #899
verisimi wrote: post #894

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> My question is how may of you are actually willing to give Musk more money after the questionable, legal, and ethical behavior he's exhibited while working for DOGE. Oh yes, far better to give to alt-man, google or Facebook - those are morally responsible companies!

I mean relatively speaking yes, only one of them is acting as an unelected dictator, circumventing our whole constitutional appropriations process by taking direct control over payment infrastructure.

I read GP to say we need to be skeptical of all LLM providers which I think is a fair point.

Saying we need to be skeptical about OpenAI (haha Open) does not mean we support Musk.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by tonymet »

moolcool wrote: post #904
cryptoegorophy wrote: post #873

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with DOGE? How is eliminating bureaucracy/spending a bad thing? This has been done about 100 years ago, research on what happened after. It feels like people that scream the loudest are the ones leaching from the system.

What's wrong? Let me count the ways. - Much of the spending they're eliminating is good and important (E.g. USAID). - The way they're cutting is reckless (They accidentally fired nuclear safety workers). - Many of the workers are Musk sycophants, who were hired from Twitter/Tesla/SpaceX. - There's a tremendous conflict of interest in this agency being run by a massive government contractor (NASA and the military are…

how does that weigh against the good they are doing? the spending crisis is critical, so of course some collateral damage will be necessary

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by JackYoustra »

programmerpass wrote: post #907
onepremise wrote: post #859

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Most people, based on my experience, would rather support Elon Musk than support a strategy recommended by an individual who believes that the MSM should be trusted. Not to mention that most of your sources to support your points are from far left MSM sources. Your reasoning is exactly why there is so much support for Elon Musk. You probably made more Elon Musk fans just by your post. Most people seem to believe the…

a fact-free post. Nowhere hear is "he reduced spending by x" or "firing y is good."

It's all vibes, the deficit could double and the vibes would stay the same, he could be dictator and the vibes would never change.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by nonrandomstring »

cryptoegorophy wrote: post #873
onepremise wrote: post #859

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What's wrong with DOGE? How is eliminating bureaucracy/spending a bad thing? This has been done about 100 years ago, research on what happened after. It feels like people that scream the loudest are the ones leaching from the system.

US Americans seem quite green, have never had this done to them before on such a scale and so haven't seen the trick before. The art of the hostile takeover. [0] Curtis documents it well, but at tedious length unless you're British, on the Slater, Goldsmith and Rowland gang. "Efficiency" is an entry point, a common bullshit word that's a perfect cover for hostile takeover, because nobody argues with it - it's a "STFU and agree" word [1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mayfair_Set

[1] https://cybershow.uk/blog/posts/efficiency/

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by 29athrowaway »

JackYoustra wrote: post #909
29athrowaway wrote: post #900

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DOGE has revealed that 400 million are rookie numbers when it comes to phony deals. Forcing the government to spend money has always been the infinite money glitch. On one side you have healthcare and pharma companies making sure everything is excessively overpriced, then they lobby the government to make sure everyone has government sponsored healthcare, i.e.: turn all tax revenue into healthcare revenue. Then they…

Specifics are the enemy of populism: - healthcare and pharma is overpriced because of information frictions, institutional supply constraints (this mostly means strict immigration controls), and people just really want healthcare relative to other wants! See: https://www.reddit.com/r/badeconomics/comments/1gsezga/comme... also biden made insulin capped at a price so. - mass incarceration is a SUPER populist thing! Ho…

In the US healthcare system a bag of water with salt costs hundreds of dollars. You can cap the price of one thing and then the whack a mole game starts.

The conflicts in the middle east costed trillions of dollars and there is absolutely nothing to show for it.

Quantitative easing costed trillions of dollars, most of the people responsible for causing the crisis got a big pay day from it.

If someome became "the richest person" probably you can learn something from that person. Without SpaceX, the US would have to use Russian rockets to put stuff in space because NASA shuttles were retired. Is that something you would like more?

The US is at the verge of bankruptcy and it is not because of $400m in trucks.

And it is not a Democrat or Republican issue, as I said, everyone is getting rich at the expense of the taxpayer, even taxpayers that haven't even been born yet are in debt already thanks to a wasteful mentality.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by talles »

shekhargulati wrote: post #351

I don't know, but I found the recording uninspiring. There was nothing new for me. We've all seen reasoning models by now—we know they work well for certain use cases. We've also seen "Deep Researchers," so nothing new there either. No matter what people say, they're all just copying OpenAI. I'm not a huge fan of OpenAI, but I think they're still the ones showing what can be done. Yes, xAI might have taken less time…

This sounds like "this feature is so 2024".

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by ben_w »

cryptoegorophy wrote: post #873
onepremise wrote: post #859

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What's wrong with DOGE? How is eliminating bureaucracy/spending a bad thing? This has been done about 100 years ago, research on what happened after. It feels like people that scream the loudest are the ones leaching from the system.

Eliminating superfluous bureaucracy is fine.

Note that DOGE fired, and is struggling to rehire, the team whose job was to mainain America's nuclear arsenal.

Also note that the stated goal of DOGE, $2T, exceeds the entire discretionary budget of the federal government, even though half the discretionary budget is your entire active military.

Even treating $2T as a stretch goal, eliminating literally everything but the military from the discretionary budget doesn't reach the lower $1T that Musk says he has a "good shot" at.

Cuts on this scale directly, all by themselves, even aside from all the other economic diasters that America expressly chose to vote for as a package deal with this, will shrink the US economy about 6%.

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