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Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

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Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#81

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The new Rigol DHO800 series are fabulous bargains for the money, and extremely well designed in a lot of ways: - 12 bit ADC frontends - Actually usable touchscreen inputs - Super simple to drive remotely over a network connection (though getting the IP address with just the touchscreen is a little tricky) - USB-C power input - you can run it from a battery pack if you like! - All the essential decoders built in for f…

I got one recently, and it's been a pleasure to use. My only regret is not getting the 4 channel version, though I've only needed 2 channels so far. But at my workplace, I've found that an extra channel is the thing that helps me solve a problem, more frequently than higher performance does. I'm an old timer so I'm familiar with the traditional scope front panel, but have come to like the touch screen for changing se…

I get around the long boot time by never turning mine off lol

I used to thing touch screens on scopes were a gimmick. Then I used one to name a signal quickly and easily for a trace capture. After that I was hooked.

Also - be sure to upgrade the firmware if you haven’t yet. They fixed that annoying bug where it doesn’t remember your probe settings between power cycles!

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#82
I can recommend this gizmo for people just starting to learn about electronics. I got one in Hackerbox 102[1] and found it to be a good value in terms of bandwidth vs cost.

In talking about it to my engineering friends I got the somewhat expected dismissive "well its just a toy" kinds of comments, and to be clear it has a lot of limitations, but within those limitations it also has a lot of opportunity to teach people about things like analog electronics which are best learned by looking at the signals. And given that so many people starting out don't even know why they might need an oscilloscope, its a pretty good way to introduce the tool without the huge learning curve of features you may not use for the first year of your learning process :-).

And then when it comes time to pick one of the many really excellent choices of bench tools, you won't be completely clueless about what the functions of the oscilloscope do. So for $20 I consider it a good value and have recommended it to people who were just starting to learn about these things.

[1] https://hackerboxes.com/collections/past-hackerboxes/product... and the experiment guide https://www.instructables.com/HackerBox-0102-Flea-Scope/

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#83

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I got one recently, and it's been a pleasure to use. My only regret is not getting the 4 channel version, though I've only needed 2 channels so far. But at my workplace, I've found that an extra channel is the thing that helps me solve a problem, more frequently than higher performance does. I'm an old timer so I'm familiar with the traditional scope front panel, but have come to like the touch screen for changing se…

I get around the long boot time by never turning mine off lol I used to thing touch screens on scopes were a gimmick. Then I used one to name a signal quickly and easily for a trace capture. After that I was hooked. Also - be sure to upgrade the firmware if you haven’t yet. They fixed that annoying bug where it doesn’t remember your probe settings between power cycles!

Awesome. I've cursed that bug. Thanks!

Edit: Updated the firmware. Works. First time I noticed the problem, it was at my desk, and I assumed it was because the scope was plugged into a switched power outlet, and I was habitually turning off the lights when I left the room. Only after a couple of tries did I discover that it was an actual bug.

HN: Come for the arcane programming topics that are over my head, stay for fixing my scope!

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#84

For the price this small thing is really awesome. I think the posted title need to be improved and updated to include function or waveform generator instead of just More. Perhaps because of that most of the comments here just focusing in the oscilloscope part. As any who has dabbled with electronics know your typical workbench is normally consist of oscilloscope, logic analyzer, waveform generator, digital multi-mete…

I'm at the character limit, so I'll take suggestions for a new title! There's a lot of unique, interesting and useful features this offers, all of which are deserving of a spot in the title... Edit: Seems like I have lost the ability to change the post title. Unfortunate

Perhaps Dang can help on that

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#85

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I get around the long boot time by never turning mine off lol I used to thing touch screens on scopes were a gimmick. Then I used one to name a signal quickly and easily for a trace capture. After that I was hooked. Also - be sure to upgrade the firmware if you haven’t yet. They fixed that annoying bug where it doesn’t remember your probe settings between power cycles!

Awesome. I've cursed that bug. Thanks! Edit: Updated the firmware. Works. First time I noticed the problem, it was at my desk, and I assumed it was because the scope was plugged into a switched power outlet, and I was habitually turning off the lights when I left the room. Only after a couple of tries did I discover that it was an actual bug. HN: Come for the arcane programming topics that are over my head, stay for…

Dude me too. Such a goofy bug oversight. But, fortunately, an easy fix with a firmware upgrade.

That bug was my only complaint with the DHO924 as purchased. I was already extremely satisfied with it before that bugfix.

Hate to say it as a proud American and fanboy of HP’s legacy, but these folks are coming for Keysight on the low end.

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#86
Hi all, new here.

One post below might be a bit misleading -- it's just 18 Msps, not 100 -- so think of it as good for signals up to 1 MHz or so with decent fidelity... And it uses a PIC32, not STM32. It is 12 bit ADC, but the noise floor makes it more like 10 or 11. A cool thing is it also does digital capture and waveform generation at the same time, but clearly it's all pretty simple...

My goal was to be able to get these in a classroom at every seat, where there's already a computer or tablet or chromebook, and have it "just work"... The thing I like the best by far, though, is javascript access -- you only need a webpage for the GUI -- no software install or app store or anything!

To go deeper for the classroom experiments, you can use a different "deep dive" webpage with a command-line UI and log in interactively and take control of all the pins programmatically in BASIC, and even configure the board to autorun a BASIC program on power-up... You can make a "simon" game with 4 switches, 4 LEDs, a buzzer, and about 100 lines of code... Or with a thermocouple and an op-amp and a solid-state relay, you can make a cool toaster oven temperature controller for reflow soldering -- which is how I built all the prototypes... The nice thing is the javascript access on the host comes for free still, and so BASIC can talk directly to the host computer (e.g., running python or powershell)! Examples are here: https://rtestardi.github.io/pages/

I have also had fun with automotive applications for Flea-Scope -- it is so easy to just bring out a phone or tablet and measure a crankshaft sensor -- and without it you're just guessing and replacing components from some diagnostics flowchart...

As for licensing, it is all open source, and anyone can rebuild it (and even sell it). There is a patent on the internal BASIC, but there is also a perpetual license to the software builds I have made and tested and released -- conceivably you could build the scope without BASIC at all -- it is unneeded except when you use the board in "deep dive" mode for BASIC programming.

If there is interest, I have toyed with the idea of making a Mosquito-Scope, with 2 channels and selectable input amplification (for sub-millivolt signals) based on the still-brand-new dsPIC33A, which is actually cheaper and faster than the PIC32MK.

-- Rich

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#87

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Fair enough, but on the flip side - you either want to get into electronics or not. If not, there's no real point in spending the money, even if it's $2. If you do, then you probably don't yet have an understanding of what features you need, and the cheapest option will actually hold you back. Some specific issues: first, the number of inputs. A lot of circuit debugging is about "let's see how signal A looks like whe…

> you either want to get into electronics or not. If not, there's no real point in spending the money, even if it's $2 It's fuzzier than that; there are hobbies that look fun but I can't decide if I want to fully invest into them, but having a cheap, but not-great equipment is a good stepping stone. Besides, beginners won't have the skill to fully use fully-featured pro-level-gear. A cheap soldering iron is great for…

> having a cheap, but not-great equipment is a good stepping stone.

I don't agree for something like this. The problem is that beginners often don't understand how to deal with the limitations of equipment--all they understand is that something is wonky and they don't know how to fix it.

In addition, bad equipment can make your initial impressions so painful that they prevent you from going further. Oscilloscopes, cheap soldering tools, etc. all have this effect. It's not unique to electrical engineering though--super cheap guitars are painful to play while something just $150 more is dramatically easier to deal with.

Where cheap equipment shines is when a beginner has been at it long enough and becomes "dangerous". They know just enough to do things but not enough to avoid things that will destroy their equipment. That's when the $20 "whatever" is a blessing because you'll get annoyed but you won't be distraught if you blow it up. Even as someone experienced, I semi-regularly destroy a $10 logic analyzer because the circuit I was analyzing wasn't doing what I thought it was (of course, this is mostly laziness--since the analyzer is merely $10 I don't take the time to double check things that I would if I were to put my Agilent analyzer on it)

> Besides, beginners won't have the skill to fully use fully-featured pro-level-gear.

Quite often, pro gear is better for beginners. For a beginner, an "Auto Scale" button on their scope that does the right thing is a godsend. Even I use it all the time. Sure, I can dial the signals in quickly, but "Auto Scale" does the right thing 99% of the time with a single button press.

Even with soldering, a Metcal system maintains the temperature exactly where you need it. You don't have to worry about having too much/not enough heat on the component you are working with. You don't have to worry about the calibration on your soldering station. A Metcal will pump a lot more energy into a big hunk of transformer and a lot less energy into a QFP integrated circuit. Sure, someone experienced can adjust for this on a Hakko, but a beginner is having a tough enough time getting solder down and the soldering iron in the right place without knocking the IC all over the place and doing it all through a microscope.

> investing in an expensive soldering station is wasteful if one decides that it's not really for them.

Used Metcal soldering systems are "expensive" ($250-$500), but they also resell for almost the exact same amount you bought them. Cheap soldering stations won't resell for anything. So, all the money you spend on a cheap station is lost if you decide not to go further while the expensive station cost all gets recovered.

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#88

Anything I can buy for $50?

The Amazon letter soup of the month is FNIRSI - I am questioning whether they are actually a letter soup brand. They have a bunch of impossibly cheap hand-held tools, including oscilloscopes. I picked up their multi-meter and power supply and they actually work.

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

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So starting with nothing at all, what is the total cost of ownership for the flea -cope? My guess, its over $300, (if $300 is your annual salary, your existing phone will probably not cut it). And for comparison, standalone toy oscilloscopes ( The problem is, with a toy scope, you aren't really gonna know if what you're measuring is real. This might be useful as a kit to build to learn how to program microcontrollers…

Where's that guess coming from? The scope is $18, the optional probe from elecrow is $5 extra. You most definitely have either an android phone or a laptop/PC with a browser from the last ten years already. As such the cost is pretty minimal. Say you bought a set of these kind of test probes with hooks at the front. A set would maybe cost you $10. Now you can use all your 9 channels. I don't understand your price cal…

"This is a very strong first world POV. Those U$D 300 rank pretty high across world's minimum salaries "

My point, since I was replying to a poster who said the above, was if you are making $300 a year, you don't have a laptop. So, if you read my assumption, that you don't have a laptop, android phone or laptop, and you are making I could also very well reply with just the quote above.

https://www.aliexpress.us/w/wholesale-oscilloscope-.html?spm...

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#90

For about the same price ($13), I'm happy with this logic analyzer I bought through amazon[1] a month ago. I spent more on probes[2] ($24) than I did the analyzer. ;-) To power it, I'm using SigRock/Pulseview[3], which sees it as a compatible clone. It's wild to be able to see signals a few tens of nanoseconds wide so cheaply. [1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077LSG5P2 [2] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CLB63GL3 [3] https…

I have this exact one, and I don't reccomend using it with the Saleae Logic software, it constantly drops out and has issues enumerating. Haven't tried sigrock yet.

I too have the same one, and had endless problems till I switched to a shorter USB cable and suddenly everything was fine.

I think the firmware might have some timing issue with the USB bus, and just a few extra nanoseconds of a 2 foot long cable seems to break it.

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