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Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by monetus »

DonnieBurger wrote: post #99
jrm4 wrote: post #94

Will continue to say it, this piece of software that could be a mainstream huge deal, a straight-up Adobe killer, will never do this unless it changes its name. I've mostly given up hope on this, but it's still wild that people who work on the software just seem to very stubbornly not understand this. Whether you want to blame it on ableism, or perhaps simply "you should name your software after something/someone ski…

I'd argue that GIMP reclaimed the word for a better meaning. Consider how the word lame has lost its derogatory impact. Googling "gimp" gives me only results about the program. Changing the name now would dilute decades of brand recognition and confuse users, especially those in non-English communities.

I think the sunk cost into branding is the right take here; my 2¢. Gimp is still niche, and will never be used the same way people say Photoshop when referring to any general photo editing. It will take quite a few more years of transient language and lots of success for that unrealistic outcome.

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by alexey-salmin »

CharlesW wrote: post #103
veggieroll wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's probably true. But offending people with prudish attitudes or without a sense of humor is a pretty common old-school hacker goal. It serves a valuable community function by protecting the community from corporate interests, non-technical bike-shedding, and overload by "bug" reports that are actually just the user not being technical enough to use the tool properly. Edit: Also FWIW, I've had no problem introduc…

> But offending people with prudish attitudes or without a sense of humor… Some folks who are neither prudish or humorless want to see the project and its contributors succeed to the degree that alternatives like Photopea has, or as Blender has in the 3D space. The project will continue to limp along until the name is changed to something without negative connotations in English-speaking populations.

You can fork it, rename to something like "Glimpse" and see the adoption skyrocket. Surely the success is just around the corner. Oh wait a minute

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by troyvit »

veggieroll wrote: post #96
jrm4 wrote: post #94

Will continue to say it, this piece of software that could be a mainstream huge deal, a straight-up Adobe killer, will never do this unless it changes its name. I've mostly given up hope on this, but it's still wild that people who work on the software just seem to very stubbornly not understand this. Whether you want to blame it on ableism, or perhaps simply "you should name your software after something/someone ski…

That's probably true. But offending people with prudish attitudes or without a sense of humor is a pretty common old-school hacker goal. It serves a valuable community function by protecting the community from corporate interests, non-technical bike-shedding, and overload by "bug" reports that are actually just the user not being technical enough to use the tool properly. Edit: Also FWIW, I've had no problem introduc…

> offending people with prudish attitudes or without a sense of humor is a pretty common old-school hacker goal

I agree, and to an extent laud it, but it also means keeping GIMP an old-school hacker project.

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by troyvit »

veggieroll wrote: post #120
chongli wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A gimp is a man dressed in a bondage suit used for BDSM sexual roleplay. Gimps are considered inappropriate to even talk about in school and business settings. The GIMP software might as well have the name of a curse word like fuck or shit as far as its appropriateness in public discourse goes.

Literally, get over it. Even my (extremely conservative) church group doesn't have an issue with it. 1) because most people don't know BDSM terminology and 2) gimp has other connotations so it's not even obvious that was intended and 3) most people aren't terminally online and 100% don't care as long as the program works. I've never had a problem sharing it. And no one outside tech has ever brought up BDSM when I tel…

Eh. Where I work they probably wouldn't care about the BDSM aspects but they are pretty sensitive to ableist slurs, which is primarily why I recommend Photopea instead of GIMP when they need to do Photoshop-ish things.

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by alexey-salmin »

jrm4 wrote: post #94

Will continue to say it, this piece of software that could be a mainstream huge deal, a straight-up Adobe killer, will never do this unless it changes its name. I've mostly given up hope on this, but it's still wild that people who work on the software just seem to very stubbornly not understand this. Whether you want to blame it on ableism, or perhaps simply "you should name your software after something/someone ski…

> you're preventing people like me (IT teaching, a go-between between techies and non-techies) from being able to recommend it.

Why exactly is it bad? It's not that all software have to be loved and recommended by everyone, opinions differ and it's normal.

If for you the name matters more than the substance then well maybe you're not the target audience, so be it.

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by gkbrk »

alexey-salmin wrote: post #122
CharlesW wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But offending people with prudish attitudes or without a sense of humor… Some folks who are neither prudish or humorless want to see the project and its contributors succeed to the degree that alternatives like Photopea has, or as Blender has in the 3D space. The project will continue to limp along until the name is changed to something without negative connotations in English-speaking populations.

You can fork it, rename to something like "Glimpse" and see the adoption skyrocket. Surely the success is just around the corner. Oh wait a minute

Hey don't be unfair to them, they also tried to collect donations for changing the name.

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by tasuki »

10729287 wrote: post #2

I really want Gimp to succeed. It's a software I've been trying to use since more than 20 years now but the UX is so clunky.... and different than Photoshop. Muscle Memory is a thing. I'm moving my main machine from macOS to Linux (which I also used partially since 20years), moving from a mac mini M1 to a lovely Lenovo M75Q-1 and so far the experience has been great. I'm a (enthusiast) photographer and I have big hop…

> I'm a (enthusiast) photographer and I have big hopes for that 3.0 release of Gimp. I'm ready to learn something else and freeing myself from Adobe.

GIMP is for general graphics stuff. Try DarkTable, which was made specifically for photography editing and is very good at it.

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

jrm4 wrote: post #94

Will continue to say it, this piece of software that could be a mainstream huge deal, a straight-up Adobe killer, will never do this unless it changes its name. I've mostly given up hope on this, but it's still wild that people who work on the software just seem to very stubbornly not understand this. Whether you want to blame it on ableism, or perhaps simply "you should name your software after something/someone ski…

I'm sure any project with a stupid name cannot survive. Take, for example, git. The name is a literal insult. github? Come on, like "a place where gits meet"? This is ridiculous! How would you expect anyone who is not a git to teach about it? Use it in a serious enterprise setting?

...Ah no, wait a moment...

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by aspaviento »

petee wrote: post #119
redeeman wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah well.. says more about those who even bring that up... most people probably dont know that

Anyone who's seen "Pulp Fiction", or hasnt been under a rock, or older than a young teen would have encountered the term or concept

I don't think more than half of the world population have been under a rock.

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by weaksauce »

LouisSayers wrote: post #105

Serious question: Has anyone proficient in Photoshop given GIMP a proper go and come out the other side wanting to use it?

there's https://github.com/Diolinux/PhotoGIMP

but i'm not sure how well that mimics photoshop in day to day stuff. hopefully they make strides in usability because it wasn't there the last time i tried it.

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