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Dust from car brakes more harmful than exhaust, study finds

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Re: Dust from car brakes more harmful than exhaust, study finds

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They use drum brakes because drum brakes are protected better from the environment while brake discs are not and will quickly get covered in rust and dirt when not used for awhile and then be less effective when they are actually needed for an emergency braking situation. We only ever really went to disc brakes because they were slightly cheaper and easier to manufacture and since racing vehicles used disc brakes (be…

Seems like EV manufacturers should set their cars to use the friction brakes for the first few stops of each trip, both to clean off the rust & dirt, and also to test whether they still work.

More advanced vehicles will also gently tap the brakes when you have your wipers on (or it detects rain) to keep them dry in case you need them.

"Brake Disc Drying"

https://www.reddit.com/r/eGolf/comments/dhll01/egolf_brake_d...

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1782553

You probably want your disk brakes to get nice and hot every once in a while.

Re: Dust from car brakes more harmful than exhaust, study finds

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So if everything is different, everything is different?

Make life require cars: more fatalities. Seems pretty evident. Arguably the conditions are better for personal electric vehicles and bicycles in Florida (than the comparatively frigid and rainy conditions of Sweden). Even the topography is flat[0][1], it's literally the perfect place for cycling, but the US has chosen something else. So, yes, if things are different they are different: comparable populations, a bette…

Florida may not get as cold as Sweden, but it's certainly not hurting for rain.

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2024/02/02/discover-the...

Re: Dust from car brakes more harmful than exhaust, study finds

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I always assumed EVs use regenerative braking as much as possible on their own.

They do. But if you brake too agressively, they switch to friction brakes. It pays off to avoid this: more mileage, marginally lower charging expense, lower cost on brake maintenance and fewer complaints from passengers.

I imagine there to be a sweet spot with friction breaks where it grinds the hardest, I imagine it to be when one breaks gently.

Re: Dust from car brakes more harmful than exhaust, study finds

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EVs can be pretty bad for tire wear, not just due to vehicle weight, but the amount of torque available (and consistently available) that leaves most ICE vehicles in the dust. Depends on driving style of course

If you have an EV and you care about health and the environment, use regenerative braking as much as humanly possible. Hint: driving fast or tailgating both increase the odds you'll have to use the friction brakes.

Also regenerative breaking exerts force which leads to particle emissions from the tires. Breaking earlier and slower also helps when you otherwise would have stayed in the range where you can break regeneratively.

Re: Dust from car brakes more harmful than exhaust, study finds

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You have a weird dream of how people should use transportation. People like what they like. They like individual cars with 4 wheels. They don't want to share transportation with random people.

Pretty sure he's sarcastically talking about trains existing

The train v car debate is for losers - cars won and will always win. Privacy and freedom will always be more important. Use trains to ship goods around, not people.

Re: Dust from car brakes more harmful than exhaust, study finds

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You can gear down in a manual transmission ICE to achieve similar reduction effects, but I doubt they will bring back manuals.

I have a newer automatic ICE and they use cylinder deactivation for engine braking on low speed coasting.

Cylinder deactivation is for reducing losses when coasting, not braking. You want more losses if you actually intent to slow down. Some trucks have retarder that open valves at TDC, so it dumps energy from compression instead of pushing piston back down.

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We could also try to fix the anti-intellectual culture instead of just griping about it and/or retreating. It didn't emerge out of thin air, it emerged as a reaction to a mostly-accurate sense among non-intellectuals (i.e., the people who make most of the world actually work) of being constantly condescended to by the intellectual class. What we need isn't to go all prepper for some kind of dark age, what we need is…

We are fundamentally at a loss here because of the dynamics of propaganda. Simply put more money is spent misinforming than informing and since this will always be the case due the the powerful incentives of population control, there will always be some degree of idiocracy happening. Short of probably redistributing all resources equally and eliminating the money and economic system we have that lead to these incenti…

I'm pretty immersed in the anti-intellectual movement just by virtue of where I live, and while I won't deny that there's some room for propaganda in the explanation, the bulk of the cause is simple:

The average American has correctly identified that intellectuals despise them.

That's it. Propaganda is a useful scapegoat, but the actual problem is that the average American has caught on to the sneers and derision and doesn't like being treated that way.

Redistributing resources won't help because those plans are always put forward from a place of condescension towards the less educated, and the condescension is the problem!

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Grip is proportional to downforce times the coefficients of friction. Since downforce comes mostly from vehicle weight the maximum available acceleration/deceleration (grip) is nearly identical across lighter and heavier vehicles for a given tire compound and tread pattern. The complexity comes from things like sidewall stiffness (controls available grip near the lateral limit of traction, must be designed for vehicl…

"Since downforce comes mostly from vehicle weight the maximum available acceleration/deceleration (grip) is nearly identical across lighter and heavier vehicles for a given tire compound and tread pattern." What? Was this written by AI?

It's literally just physics. Couloumb (static, or dry) friction is F_f = μF_n where F_f is the frictional force (grip) of tires in this case and F_n is the normal force between the ground and the tires due to the mass of the vehicle. μ ranges from 0.8 to 1 or more in modern tires.

Since F=ma and F_n is 9.8 N/kg due to gravity, F_f = μ * 9.81 * m and a = F/m = μ * 9.81 * m / m, and finally a = μ * 9.81 m/s^2.

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I think some research group did measurements of the AQI in the TTC stations and found the average air quality in the winter was actually comparable with the smog in LA or Beijing.

and people still look at me funny when I wear a mask in there I wonder what platform doors will do: the stations depend on piston effect for ventilation, but walling off the tube from the station might keep it more in the tube?

Well I imagine if they’re willing to spend the huge amounts to install platform doors they would be willing to install larger ventilation fans too.

Re: Dust from car brakes more harmful than exhaust, study finds

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The Yale article and the paper both highlight the fact that EVs use regenerative braking and produce less dust. I was worried that this was a rehash of the astroturf campaign from a few years ago focusing on EV weight and how that was so bad for the environment because of tire and road wear. Unfortunately you need to read through the whole thing (instead of the headline and a few paragraphs) to see that information.

>astroturf Is the much greater weight of EVs not worse for tire and road wear?

> much greater weight

It was part of the astroturf effort to convince people that they are massively heavier, and you see it was successful with comments like this where it is claimed that they are “much greater” in weight with nothing quantified. Of course the hummer was heavier, but not everyone has the hummer.

> full electric versions are only around 10% to 15% heavier than their direct ICE equivalent.

https://thedriven.io/2024/05/03/are-evs-really-much-heavier-...

> Starting with the Tesla Model 3 weighing in at between 1777Kg and 1840Kg

> A comparable ICE car the BMW 3 series 1570Kg - 1965Kg

> And another ICE car the Mercedes C class 1665Kg - 2190Kg

> And finally another EV the Ford Mustang Mach-E 1993Kg - 2218Kg

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-perception-of-Tesla-cars-b...

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