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Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by MrDrMcCoy »

10729287 wrote: post #28
t3rra wrote: post #10

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It isn't alternative to photoshop though, what about darktable ( https://www.darktable.org/ )? I could be wrong but it is more of an alternative to lightroom afaik. Have you used?

Thanks for the suggestion. I've never been really into the "catalog" apps, starting from itunes. Always been more of a winamp guy ;) I like to browse my files from the explorer and not having to deal with a software to navigate or a software to catalog files and corrupting my filetree. I've been using gimp since one week and so far, once you start trying to understand what's going on (something I never allowed it sin…

Darktable may have a catalog, but like you, I've never seen the value in that. It's primary purpose is as a RAW editor, and it's pretty good at that. Highly recommend it as a first pass for any digital photography. That, or Rawtherapee.

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by npteljes »

iamkonstantin wrote: post #69
DonnieBurger wrote: post #64

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I don't think it's highly damaging. It's an acronym. Is BBC's name highly damaging?

Why would it be? I can't think of a single meaning of BBC which translates to an insult. GIMP on the other hand has more than one meanings as an insult (not even an acronym).

Try this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_(sexual_slang)

Definitely came after the original BBC being established, and definitely is orders of magnitude less known than the sexual slang variant. So yeah, the Gimp comparison doesn't stand, at all.

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by sycren »

amelius wrote: post #4

> As with GIMP 2.10, GIMP 3.0 ships with a Python interpreter embedded and will not use the system Python. This is great and I wish this was the same with other tools, like Kicad, Freecad and Inkscape.

But would that make it so that it's impossible to install/access other libraries?

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by npteljes »

beezlewax wrote: post #57
isodev wrote: post #51

It’s time for a new name. “gimp” may be semantically correct but it hardly prepares one for a “friendly and powerful graphics editing tool”.

It's fairly idiotic at this stage that this has never been changed. Highly damaging to the products outward appearance.

From what I gather, the people running the project don't mind the name, and that is basically to what this boils down to. I too think it's a stupid name, and that the project would be better off with a rename, but if being less "idiotic" or whatever is not the project goal, then they are no so idiotic after all, no? Idiotic would be to self-sabotage with the name, like failure to get into app stores because of policy or something, and still not changing the name, or trying to fight the perception of "gimp" as a word, or anything like that. But overall, I think situation is settled and the people running the show are consistent.

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by npteljes »

homarp wrote: post #9
prox wrote: post #5

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I would love Gimp to succeed but Gimp is made by coders for coders (as you might expect from a open source program) and not by visual artists for visual artists. I don’t have a lot of hope. For years I have been using Affinity and it’s been really good, haven’t looked back. Unfortunately it’s not on linux.

>for coders https://www.gimp.org/news/2025/01/27/gimp-team-zemarmot-fosd... Gimp is being used,and improved along the way, to make an animation movie. Jehan (scenarist, technical) of that movie is also a core maintainer.

Gimp is nearing 30 years old, and it has been used for at most a handful of animation movies. I think, regarding its usage, that this is more of an outlier, than a main purpose of the software. So I don't think that this example refutes OP's point.

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by homarp »

npteljes wrote: post #85
homarp wrote: post #9

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>for coders https://www.gimp.org/news/2025/01/27/gimp-team-zemarmot-fosd... Gimp is being used,and improved along the way, to make an animation movie. Jehan (scenarist, technical) of that movie is also a core maintainer.

Gimp is nearing 30 years old, and it has been used for at most a handful of animation movies. I think, regarding its usage, that this is more of an outlier, than a main purpose of the software. So I don't think that this example refutes OP's point.

and I think otherwise https://girinstud.io/news/2018/04/zemarmot-main-contributor-...

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by doctorpangloss »

da_chicken wrote: post #52
prox wrote: post #5

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I would love Gimp to succeed but Gimp is made by coders for coders (as you might expect from a open source program) and not by visual artists for visual artists. I don’t have a lot of hope. For years I have been using Affinity and it’s been really good, haven’t looked back. Unfortunately it’s not on linux.

The few people I know doing visual design still balk at a program that lacks native CMYK editing. Honestly I'm still skeptical about the significant improvements made for 3.0 due to the project's history. I remember CMYK being the most common complaint (after the UI) 20 years ago, too. And at the time the entire GIMP project insisted that you never needed it and RGB was good enough. By coders for coders, indeed.

I don’t know. RGB was good enough. For every 1 person out there digitally processing art for a children’s book, which is the only piece of printed media I could think of whose lifecycle does not feature immediate disposal, there are 19 who would love their HDR iPhone photos to look right, so if anything, they should be worrying about P3.

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by stuaxo »

2mlWQbCK wrote: post #50
RugnirViking wrote: post #17

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Doesn't Inkscape use its own python? I feel like I've found its python a couple times when searching for venvs on windows

It probably ships with python on some platforms. Pretty sure it does on Windows. But it does not really have a python API. Most (all?) extensions that ship with Inkscape are written in python, and it comes with some base classes and helper modules to make those extensions. But the "API" is basically "we send the current document to the extension's stdin, and whatever comes out as stdout becomes the new document". The…

Oh, that's kind of terrible.

I had assumed there would be an API to let you do stuff with the DOM and call into some of the functions inkscape itself uses.

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by stuaxo »

da_chicken wrote: post #52
prox wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love Gimp to succeed but Gimp is made by coders for coders (as you might expect from a open source program) and not by visual artists for visual artists. I don’t have a lot of hope. For years I have been using Affinity and it’s been really good, haven’t looked back. Unfortunately it’s not on linux.

The few people I know doing visual design still balk at a program that lacks native CMYK editing. Honestly I'm still skeptical about the significant improvements made for 3.0 due to the project's history. I remember CMYK being the most common complaint (after the UI) 20 years ago, too. And at the time the entire GIMP project insisted that you never needed it and RGB was good enough. By coders for coders, indeed.

One of the big reasons for the rewrite, GEGL brings CMYK (and many other things).

Re: Writing a Gimp 3.0 Plugin

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Post by 10729287 »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #3
10729287 wrote: post #2

I really want Gimp to succeed. It's a software I've been trying to use since more than 20 years now but the UX is so clunky.... and different than Photoshop. Muscle Memory is a thing. I'm moving my main machine from macOS to Linux (which I also used partially since 20years), moving from a mac mini M1 to a lovely Lenovo M75Q-1 and so far the experience has been great. I'm a (enthusiast) photographer and I have big hop…

Exciting to be trying something new! Curious what drove the switch? You say macOS had been very frustrating lately, anything that made it particularly so?

I've always been tempted by Linux as my main driver, being myself an idealist. But making the move always been hard while I always had linux secondary machines around.

My main reproaches towards macOS are weird choices Apple is imposing his users or the lack of compatibility with other systems :

- Mail.app and the way it persists with its ridiculous way of handling attachements (I use Thunderbird)

- Having to install additional apps to have an decent window manager or finder : Alt-Tab, Rectangle, new file menu

- Not being able to pop a calendar while clicking on the clock

- SMB compatibility is hell

- Finder is hell

- ...

Too much customisations needed while Linux "just works".

The recent position of the brand toward politics made me take the plunge.

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