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iBookstore rejects Holly Lisle's writing course because she mentions Amazon

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Re: iBookstore rejects Holly Lisle's writing course because she mentions Amazon

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Not that this defends Apple, but strictly speaking, couldn't Amazon choose to do the reverse?

For Kindle users that's true, which is the one and only reason I didn't buy.

You don't have to buy your kindle-books from amazon.

Re: iBookstore rejects Holly Lisle's writing course because she mentions Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scroll down to "Previous Posts in this Discussion" and click the links. She goes through the whole thing, including the actual email from Apple.

Don't see any emails about the content block that she is referring to this post. I see emails about previous issues of her having links to Amazon in her ebooks. I am very curious about this, because I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection -- and a quick search of the iBook store shows tons of books about Amazon itself, things like "How to Self Publish on the Amazon Kindle" et al.

From http://hollylisle.com/crippling-apple-ibookstore-ethical-and..., quoting Ms Lisle:

'I received an email from Apple’s iBookstore that How To Think Sideways—Lesson 6: How to Discover (or Create) Your Story’s Market has been pulled for containing links to a “Competing Website” and that in order to have the lesson put back on sale, I’ll have to remove the offending links.'

I'm strongly inclined to believe that she is being truthful and fair in representing that received email based on her tone and responses in the comments [at least] of her site. She seems only concerned with allowing students using Apple products to buy an uncrippled/non-bawdlerised product.

>I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection //

Indeed, it appears she links to Amazon in the ebook as that is [she says] the only place that one can learn the technique she is teaching.

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Apologies I think I went in too soon with that comment. It appears it is much worse for Apple:

Quoting Ms Lisle again (http://hollylisle.com/apple-made-its-decision-my-turn/?awt_l...) 'You don’t tell someone “The problem is the live links,” and then, when that person has complied with your change request and removed the live links, turn around and say, “No, no. The problem is the CONTENT. You can’t mention Amazon in your lesson.'

So it sounds like she complied by removing links and then they told her it wasn't the links but the content.

Re: iBookstore rejects Holly Lisle's writing course because she mentions Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that this defends Apple, but strictly speaking, couldn't Amazon choose to do the reverse?

Interesting thing is, traditional book publishers could do the same. Maybe they have, and we wouldn't be aware of it. My impression is that they mostly haven't and mostly wouldn't. I think Apple, Amazon et al. are particularly extractive, and they come at anything firstly from the point of view of how they can control and channel the experience, the level of focus being unique to them.

Relevant: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2012/06/barnes-a...

...Barnes and Noble’s budget electronic edition of Tolstoy’s “War and Peace” had searched for and replaced all incidences of the word “kindled” (a variant of the name of Amazon’s e-reader, of course, but also a legitimate English word) with the word “Nookd.”...

Re: iBookstore rejects Holly Lisle's writing course because she mentions Amazon

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This is height of hypocrisy since Apple apparently uses Amazon S3 in their iMessage app, according to an earlier HN post that links here : http://imgur.com/fwXX5 "You can't mention Amazon, but we can use it."

well, we're talking about two different teams in a very big company...

Re: iBookstore rejects Holly Lisle's writing course because she mentions Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't see any emails about the content block that she is referring to this post. I see emails about previous issues of her having links to Amazon in her ebooks. I am very curious about this, because I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection -- and a quick search of the iBook store shows tons of books about Amazon itself, things like "How to Self Publish on the Amazon Kindle" et al.

"I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection" Neither she nor anyone else is claiming that, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

She isn't claiming it is an instant rejection I don't think. But it sounds like they flagged it initially based on links, she removed the links and then they said it was actually the content itself.

Re: iBookstore rejects Holly Lisle's writing course because she mentions Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't see any emails about the content block that she is referring to this post. I see emails about previous issues of her having links to Amazon in her ebooks. I am very curious about this, because I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection -- and a quick search of the iBook store shows tons of books about Amazon itself, things like "How to Self Publish on the Amazon Kindle" et al.

"I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection" Neither she nor anyone else is claiming that, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

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Re: iBookstore rejects Holly Lisle's writing course because she mentions Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scroll down to "Previous Posts in this Discussion" and click the links. She goes through the whole thing, including the actual email from Apple.

Don't see any emails about the content block that she is referring to this post. I see emails about previous issues of her having links to Amazon in her ebooks. I am very curious about this, because I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection -- and a quick search of the iBook store shows tons of books about Amazon itself, things like "How to Self Publish on the Amazon Kindle" et al.

Well, it wouldn't exactly be the first time Apple is inconsistent in the application of their own rules.

Re: iBookstore rejects Holly Lisle's writing course because she mentions Amazon

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IMHO, Apple is clearly doing this because they can't get a cut of the revenue generated by the sale of the book on Amazon.

Shallow thinking on their part as (a) they could route the links through their own affiliate account on Amazon, (b) they could cut a referrer deal with Amazon so that it appears to be a direct link, or (c) they could recommend alternative, competing books on iBookStore since they control the user experience.

I have personal experience that they are doing this same thing in iPhone apps, as they have declined an app of mine because there is a revenue model they can't tap into, and they were very clear about their intent.

I just can't work with a company that forces me to change my content/apps to fit their ridiculously greedy model. Sure, she could just go somewhere else, but Apple is in deals with Pearson and Harcourt, and will be handling a significant number of school texts exclusively.

I wonder if they'll force those partners to not mention competing services.

* UPDATE *

Now that I've mulled... I don't understand why she doesn't just upload the 2nd book to iBookstore, then link to IT in the 1st book and resubmit. Sure, it's bullshit, but Apple owns their own marketplace and can do any stupid bullshit they want. If you want to play on their field, you have to fondle, I mean use their balls.

If Amazon reciprocated, they would remove potentially 34,557 books that mention Apple, including over 80 that mention iBookstore. If they just went for books that had LINKS to apple, there's over 2,000 of those. I just don't see Amazon being as stupid as Apple, ever, that they would censor writers in this way.

Re: iBookstore rejects Holly Lisle's writing course because she mentions Amazon

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Sad, but expected from apple. Oh well, there's apple's book suicide. B&N is already dead with its 16gb Nook with only 1gb for user content. That really only leaves Amazon or full self publishing (on your site). Interesting how the winner wins sometimes ...

Apple book suicide? Most books sold aren't self-published. This won't even dent iBooks at all. I prefer the iBookstore for a few reasons, but one is that the comments on Amazon are often filled with ranting nonsense. You can't visit a bestseller's page on Amazon without seeing tons of comments about the price of the book and how angry they are about it, while on iBooks, the comments seem to be more reasoned. I don't know if iBooks readers are just more chilled out or it the requirement that you actually have purchased the book filters out nonsensical comments.

Re: iBookstore rejects Holly Lisle's writing course because she mentions Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't see any emails about the content block that she is referring to this post. I see emails about previous issues of her having links to Amazon in her ebooks. I am very curious about this, because I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection -- and a quick search of the iBook store shows tons of books about Amazon itself, things like "How to Self Publish on the Amazon Kindle" et al.

"I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection" Neither she nor anyone else is claiming that, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

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