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Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by OJFord »

Klonoar wrote: post #948
OJFord wrote: post #830

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These words have the meaning you're implying to at least some people in the USA, it was new to me. I don't know his full biography, seems to be Chinese born and went to MIT, but he signs off 'Cheers', I think it's a reasonable possibility that he doesn't mean whatever politically charged US meaning it has by it.

> to at least some people in the USA It is not "at least some" and this isn't something to downplay.

The classic example is 'to smoke a fag'.

You're, with your US perspective, saying 'hey words have meaning you know, don't downplay murdering homosexuals' while millions^ of people smoke fags in the UK every day.

(^probably? Maybe not any more, a lot of fag-smoking relative to murder at any rate.)

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by chrsig »

rc00 wrote: post #432
Ar-Curunir wrote: post #380

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How many times will this need to be said: the Rust maintainers have committed to handling all maintenance of Rust code, and handling all breakage of their code by changes on the C side. The only "burden" the C maintainers have to carry is to CC a couple of extra people on commits when APIs change.

As of today, the burden is uncertain and the Rust crowd has not been fixing things quickly enough since they are manual fixes: https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/20250131135421.GO5556... > Then I think we need a clear statement from Linus how he will be working. If he is build testing rust or not. > Without that I don't think the Rust team should be saying "any changes on the C side rests entirely on the Rust sid…

> For clarity, tree-wide fixes for C in the kernel are automated via Coccinelle. Coccinelle for Rust is constantly unstable and broken which is why manual fixes are required. Does this help to explain the burden that C developers are facing because of Rust and how it is in addition to their existing workloads?

Yes actually, I really wish someone would bring that sort of thing to the forefront, because that's a great spot to welcome new contributors.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by fargle »

follower wrote: post #928
fargle wrote: post #183

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seconded. even if it was completely true criticism, which it categorically is not, putting up a half-page banner is extremely gauche and immature. saying things like "an organized attempt to destroy lives, including of developers in our communities" is patently not true. trolls get flagged. honest nice people who don't agree with you aren't trying to destroy anything and nor do they hate you.

I'm unsure whether the most charitable reading of your comment is to assume you missed that these linked phrases exist on the original site but were not included in the text copied into the comment above, or something else: * "bad actors" links to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms * "destroy lives" links to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms#Suicides_of_harassm... While you may be correct that initial "t…

disagree, strongly. kiwi-farms has nothing to do with hn. if kiwi-farms starts brigading and spamming/trolling on hn, it gets flagged.

> the other comments in the subthread are still indexed, visible & tend not to get moderated/flagged

indexed: please complain to google.

visible: not unless you turn on show-dead. so don't do that.

don't get moderated: they are already dead.

> I'm as much of a fan of adverbs

i mean what i said. i'm extremely tired of seeing histrionics and exaggerations, misplaced blame, etc. turned into loud, unfair, criticism toward what is probably the best moderated group i can think of.

JWZ's banner is at least recognizable as satire, and his opinions are well known. i can disagree with him, but still find it a little bit funny (and immature). but if you do the same thing (yes, with a please), then you are just exactly as mature. and if you are serious, less grounded in reality and not nearly as funny.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by daurentius523 »

reshlo wrote: post #949
account42 wrote: post #897

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> Headwinds from Apple, who are indifferent to the project, stingy with documentation, and not inclined to reduce their own rate of change. That is part of the challenge he chose to take on. > Headwinds from users, because of the stripped down experience. Users can be ignored. How much you get users to you is your own choice. > Headwinds from the kernel team, who are in the unenviable situation of having to accept an…

> The maintainers in question did not ask for people to add Rust to the kernel. They have no obligation to be welcoming to it. Their boss, however, did ask for it, so yes, they do have an obligation to be welcoming to it.

"Their boss" - I'm not sure that boss is best word here.

"did ask for it" - did he? Because from my perspective it looks more like he gave the bone for corporations so they will shut up for rust in kernel. After some time it will end up "Sorry but rust did not have enough support - maintainers left and there were issues with language - well back to C"

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by pimeys »

superb_dev wrote: post #720
flykespice wrote: post #592

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I get the opposite experience, never saw those comments chiming in Rust everytime another programming language is mentioned or pushing in to rewrite everything into Rust, but I get comments complaining about such invisible forces.

It’s like how people complain about Apple users. You see more threads complaining about how annoying those Apple fanboys are than you see actual Apple fanboys being annoying.

I mean... Every HN thread with Apple discussion is pretty annoying. It might not be annoying to you as an Apple user, but for many of us it's unbearable...

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by HereIGoAgain »

mijoharas wrote: post #743
milesrout wrote: post #553

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That is a very strange take. The phrase isn't American and has no negative connotation. It has nothing to do with "extrajudicial punishment". It simply refers to the (obvious) fact that what separates societies from anarchy is the "thin blue line" of law enforcement. Rowan Atkinson had a sitcom set in a London police station in the 90s called "The Thin Blue Line". Are you under the impression he was dogwhistling abou…

This is what really confused me about the article. I read the mailing list post and had no idea what was controversial about thin blue line. In fact, I thought most of that post was fairly reasonable. I'd never heard of the extrajudicial punishment aspect of the phrase (though I had heard the phrase itself) and it didn't show up when I googled, but I'm not American, so maybe there's some cultural differences.

All the extrajudicial stuff is pure political and ideological wank by a subset of ideological extremists. Pay no attention to any of it. It's an attempt to redefine the term for narrative creation purposes.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by HereIGoAgain »

Don' let the door hit you on the way out i guess. I mean it sounds mean but the scene can do with less toxic types like this, who try to bully people who know better, in order to get their way. Even worse in this case since he actually tried to create a social media shit-storm against those he disagreed with.

He even has defenders calling for yet more CoCs in order to better "deal with" people who "get in the way." It doesn't get much more toxic than that.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by srid »

unclad5968 wrote: post #337
rdtsc wrote: post #209

A person can be in a tough spot personally and then things seem to spiral out of control around them because that just cannot be 100% isolated from professional stuff or other spheres of life. It seems like this might have happened to Hector based on the post. We've all been there and that part is completely understandable. > I get that some people might not have liked my Mastodon posts. Yes, I can be abrasive someti…

> People will look on Rust community after this and say "Remember that time when _they_ where threatening kernel devs with social media drama?". It's not right but that's the perception that will last. Happened with actix, happened with serde, and now being threatened by kernel contributors. The perception seems at least somewhat based in reality.

Could you cite some references for actix and serde?
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