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Amazon's killing a feature that let you download and backup Kindle books

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Re: Amazon's killing a feature that let you download and backup Kindle books

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Post by paulcole »

Carrok wrote: post #90
paulcole wrote: post #85

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OK, then just buy a new Kindle if you feel groveling is beneath you? I’ll admit that’s an even quicker solution.

Just glossed right over that e-waste part, eh?

yes, just like everyone does lol. people only bring up e-waste when they’ve run out of real points to make.

The save-the-environment ship has sailed. It’s not even a point worth engaging with. You really think that if every kindle ever made would magically last forever that the environment still wouldn’t be fucked beyond belief?

Re: Amazon's killing a feature that let you download and backup Kindle books

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Post by Larrikin »

paulcole wrote: post #85
Rhea_Karty wrote: post #75

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This is insane... we should not be throwing away good tech because of planned obsolescence and relying on groveling to customer service to use tech that we bought...

OK, then just buy a new Kindle if you feel groveling is beneath you? I’ll admit that’s an even quicker solution.

>When companies fuck you over you should keep buying from them

Yea this is dumb advice. Are you a stock holder?

Re: Amazon's killing a feature that let you download and backup Kindle books

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Post by paulcole »

Larrikin wrote: post #93
paulcole wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, then just buy a new Kindle if you feel groveling is beneath you? I’ll admit that’s an even quicker solution.

>When companies fuck you over you should keep buying from them Yea this is dumb advice. Are you a stock holder?

How is it being fucked over if I pay for something and get value from it? I’m not entitled to my Kindle working forever just because I bought it today.

Re: Amazon's killing a feature that let you download and backup Kindle books

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Post by Larrikin »

paulcole wrote: post #94
Larrikin wrote: post #93

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>When companies fuck you over you should keep buying from them Yea this is dumb advice. Are you a stock holder?

How is it being fucked over if I pay for something and get value from it? I’m not entitled to my Kindle working forever just because I bought it today.

>I’m not entitled to my Kindle working forever just because I bought it today.

Yes you are. This is how it worked for nearly all of history. Its the entire point of the right to repair movement, to prevent companies from this scummy model of demanding a subscription for everything and trying to stop people from owning anything. Buying a Kindle over and over again benefits no one but Amazon and their stock holders. Its even more disgusting that the OP's Kindle broke because Amazon broke it on purpose.

Re: Amazon's killing a feature that let you download and backup Kindle books

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Post by karaterobot »

paulcole wrote: post #69
karaterobot wrote: post #30

I've got a 3rd generation Kindle. It's over a decade old, but it works flawlessly except that it can't authenticate with Amazon anymore, due to changes in their whatsits. So, it's not possible for me to legally buy books from them, which (according to me) gives me license to just pirate everything I want. Nobody will believe this, but I do buy physical copies of about 90% of the books I steal, if only used copies. Bu…

> So, it's not possible for me to legally buy books from them Lol of course it is, you just convinced yourself that stealing was a better option. Get on with Amazon support and tell them that you’ve been a loyal customer for a decade and have a Kindle that no longer authenticates but want to continue buying books from them. If they don’t offer you a free Kindle, tell them you want one for free. I’ve done this a few t…

No, it's really not possible anymore. Even if you upgrade the firmware as far as possible, which I've done, you still can't log into the Kindle store on the device. For a while there was a trick you could do involving requesting a one-time password, but even that just doesn't work anymore, even on devices newer than mine. They stopped supporting the device, end of story.

Re: Amazon's killing a feature that let you download and backup Kindle books

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Post by LoganDark »

tene80i wrote: post #37
LoganDark wrote: post #24

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> I know you say buy a copy if you enjoyed it but that’s not really how commerce works when I was younger I pirated all my OS X software because I couldn't afford it. That machine broke some years back (2021-ish) and I was on Windows for a while, but after I got a job I bought a Mac again and dropped probably over $500 on copies of all the software that I had once pirated. I don't know how you think commerce works, b…

You’re describing something different, which is just paying later. I was objecting to someone proposing reading books and then paying only if they thought it was good. That’s the part that isn’t commerce, because one side is making use of a good and isn’t compensating the other side.

I mean, I also didn't pay for stuff I tried and didn't think was good. (Which reminds me, one day I should actually buy the Warriors series of books since I only read them from a library once...)

I throw money around a lot more now though, I tend to just buy something and try it and only ask for a refund if it's really useless (like was a macOS app called Vivid that ruined video playback; Lunar works much better).

I personally don't think there's anything wrong with not compensating for a good that you can't use. Then you're not using the good without compensation because you're just not using the good. Books are a funny concept because people consider reading it to be using the good.

If I read a book and there's absolutely nothing I can gleam from it and I just hate it, why should I pay for it? Is it the experience of having those words thrown at me that I'm paying for? If yes, did you know some movie theater tickets are refundable if you didn't like the movie after watching it? I think mostly in Canada. Look it up, it's a real thing. Are those theaters implementing commerce incorrectly?

Re: Amazon's killing a feature that let you download and backup Kindle books

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Post by paulcole »

Larrikin wrote: post #95
paulcole wrote: post #94

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How is it being fucked over if I pay for something and get value from it? I’m not entitled to my Kindle working forever just because I bought it today.

>I’m not entitled to my Kindle working forever just because I bought it today. Yes you are. This is how it worked for nearly all of history. Its the entire point of the right to repair movement, to prevent companies from this scummy model of demanding a subscription for everything and trying to stop people from owning anything. Buying a Kindle over and over again benefits no one but Amazon and their stock holders. It…

> This is how it worked for nearly all of history

I don’t see you saying this about how we used to die if we got an infection.

Times change.

> Buying a Kindle over and over again benefits no one but Amazon and their stock holders.

It benefits me! The kindle I bought last year is many times more enjoyable to use than the one I bought a decade ago.

Re: Amazon's killing a feature that let you download and backup Kindle books

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Post by paulcole »

karaterobot wrote: post #96
paulcole wrote: post #69

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> So, it's not possible for me to legally buy books from them Lol of course it is, you just convinced yourself that stealing was a better option. Get on with Amazon support and tell them that you’ve been a loyal customer for a decade and have a Kindle that no longer authenticates but want to continue buying books from them. If they don’t offer you a free Kindle, tell them you want one for free. I’ve done this a few t…

No, it's really not possible anymore. Even if you upgrade the firmware as far as possible, which I've done, you still can't log into the Kindle store on the device. For a while there was a trick you could do involving requesting a one-time password, but even that just doesn't work anymore, even on devices newer than mine. They stopped supporting the device, end of story.

Reread my comment.

Re: Amazon's killing a feature that let you download and backup Kindle books

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Post by Larrikin »

paulcole wrote: post #98
Larrikin wrote: post #95

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>I’m not entitled to my Kindle working forever just because I bought it today. Yes you are. This is how it worked for nearly all of history. Its the entire point of the right to repair movement, to prevent companies from this scummy model of demanding a subscription for everything and trying to stop people from owning anything. Buying a Kindle over and over again benefits no one but Amazon and their stock holders. It…

> This is how it worked for nearly all of history I don’t see you saying this about how we used to die if we got an infection. Times change. > Buying a Kindle over and over again benefits no one but Amazon and their stock holders. It benefits me! The kindle I bought last year is many times more enjoyable to use than the one I bought a decade ago.

>The kindle I bought last year is many times more enjoyable to use than the one I bought a decade ago.

I know you're trolling, but in what way? Ebooks were always light, the only meaningful innovations have been sort of having color, getting bigger, and a stylus. Those are legitimate reasons to upgrades, everything else is software that could be updated.

>Times change.

People being in abusive relationships and thinking its good for them have existed forever. See how I didn't bring up something completely irrelevant to the conversation to make a point.

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