U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

> Nope, the Bindel incident was in 2019. Here (God help me) is GB news saying the same thing: https://www.gbnews.com/news/feminist-writer-julie-bindel-tra... There's also a Times article behind a paywall that I think confirms it.

Fair enough, appreciate the clarification.

> The Pearson incident happened more recently but had nothing to do with trans issues

It's still what can be described as thought policing. As I keep saying this is part of a trend in your country. How many incidents would it take for you to concede that? These types of examples you are working to dismiss are flat out not happening in other western countries.

> The Police just logged someone's report of one of his tweets under a specifically non-criminal category. They're required to do this because someone reported the tweet and they have to keep a record of that.

That's still very much a problem. Now we have thought cataloging for use against people later on. His tweet was logged as a 'hate incident' - that's not nothing.

> The freespeechunion article similarly seems to be about cases where the police have correctly recorded someone's complaint and then correctly done nothing about it

They are logging incidents as 'hate incidents', again, that's not nothing.

And the fact the the police are involved at all and showing up to talk to people who shared their thoughts is the problem here. The fact that no action was taking is basically completely irrelevant to the problem of people being intimidated by cops for sharing thoughts, and yes, cops showing up is enough to count as intimidation.

"In Warwickshire, a suspect was recorded by the force for refusing to shake a person’s hand,"

That should be completely unacceptable and you should agree that that alone is Orwellian or uncomfortably close to it.

And it's not like there are not still more incidents. Gender critical feminists moved to their own platforms but still report such issues - not every issue gets a newspaper story (and I see a lot of these posts which is why I've said there were at least 20 incidents), but given 13,200 incidents were logged in the year from June 2023 to June 2024 and 25% of those were wrongly recorded, that seems like a lot of unnecessary intimidation and intrusion.

It's the same, local laws impacting foreign companies.

> Could you relink them? I don't see anything, and I don't think you could show it is to the same extent as in the UK.

No. I’ve said my piece and I’m done.

And it isn’t even happening to extent you keep claiming. There’s been lots of evidence posted to prove that point.

> Then why do cops keep showing up for wrongthink?

They don’t.

And I know you’ll follow up with some unverifiable linked to highly disreputable sources which are several years out of date.

So let’s just close this argument off by saying you think you know better than everyone else despite not living in the UK nor reading either up-to-date nor reputable sources.

And this is precisely why this meme of the UK policing thought persists: because people form an opinion based off silly headlines and then are too singleminded to listen to the full facts.

I honestly can’t be bothered any longer on this. I’ve been actively involved in politics around precisely these kinds of issues, but of course you know better than me because it fits your own narrative about how your own country can’t also be going down the shitter.

If both you and the iMessage counterparty both have e2ee enabled for iCloud Backup, it's unlikely at present that the feds can read the messages without a warrant under FAA702 "foreign" intelligence collection (which as we now know thanks to Snowden is routinely used against even Americans).

With an actual warrant or wiretap order, there is no guarantee that Apple can't or won't insert additional endpoint keys into the conversation.

But, that said, 99.9%+ of users don't have e2ee enabled for iCloud Backup, so the e2ee in iMessage is mostly irrelevant, and it's available in full to the feds at any time, no warrant required.

tl;dr: use Signal.

> No. I’ve said my piece and I’m done.

You said this, but then continued to go out of your way to reply to another unrelated comment. Copying and pasting some links would have been less effort.

> And it isn’t even happening to extent you keep claiming. There’s been lots of evidence posted to prove that point.

Actually my llast reply showed quite the opposite. The scale is much larger, about 2,500 incidents.

> They don’t.

They do, at least 2500 times. See a recent reply for sources.

> And I know you’ll follow up with some unverifiable linked to highly disreputable sources which are several years out of date. > So let’s just close this argument off by saying you think you know better than everyone else despite not living in the UK nor reading either up-to-date nor reputable sources.

It's a shame here to see you assuming bad faith. This reeks of tribalism, not objective argument.

The source I found was from the UK government, so I think that you preemptively dismiss that really shows who is being rational and objective and who is not.

> So let’s just close this argument off by saying you think you know better than everyone else despite not living in the UK

You keep looking for reasons to dismiss my argument fro reasons other than merit of the argument. This is telling.

I lived in the UK for years, actually, and the evidence speaks for itself, no personal experience is necessary.

> I honestly can’t be bothered any longer on this.

Maybe. You say and wrote this, yet you have a second reply you posted after this that I am about to respond to.

I won't be surprised if I end up responding yet again.