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Re: Msxbook OneChipMSX MSX2 Computer

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My question is: why we have to be stuck in nostalgia? Why isn’t there today a computer with modern processors and GPU which can boot to a REPL, where you can easily interface with all the HW, for example audio and video? I wanted to do something like that for the RP400. But is more difficult that it seems…

I can program this thing fully without access to internet. You can understand 100% of the hardware down to transistor level. Modern stuff doesn't have that.

Re: Msxbook OneChipMSX MSX2 Computer

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If it is msx it boots to basic. By definition.

You need to provide the firmware, because they aren't free to distribute. There's an open source one, but it doesn't boot to BASIC and can only be used to run cartridges. And it is because is not an MSX, it emulates one with an FPGA.

You can find all roms easily though and then indeed boot into basic.

Re: Msxbook OneChipMSX MSX2 Computer

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I find frustrating that this type of product (like the MSX VR some years ago), don't specify clearly what are they selling. Is it an ARM SoC? Does it have a Z80? Is it implemented with a FPGA? Yes, it says "OneChipMSX" https://www.msx.org/wiki/1chipMS but IMHO it could be clearer. If you go to http://www.8086cpu.com/MSX/103.html there's more information, but it definitely puts me off when considering one of these dev…

MSX peeps know what onechipmsx is and who would buy this if not a fan of that ancient machine?

It seems based on OneChipMSX, that is from 2006. Just with that I wouldn't really know what I'm buying.

Re: Msxbook OneChipMSX MSX2 Computer

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My question is: why we have to be stuck in nostalgia? Why isn’t there today a computer with modern processors and GPU which can boot to a REPL, where you can easily interface with all the HW, for example audio and video? I wanted to do something like that for the RP400. But is more difficult that it seems…

Modern hardware is too complex to understand and bootstrap for a single person even more so as a hobby project. These known unknowns can be a powerful motivation for someone who (partially) understands modern hardware to tinker with understandable systems. Some go down the retro route while others use medium to largish microcontrollers.

Re: Msxbook OneChipMSX MSX2 Computer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

MSX peeps know what onechipmsx is and who would buy this if not a fan of that ancient machine?

It seems based on OneChipMSX, that is from 2006. Just with that I wouldn't really know what I'm buying.

I'd assume it's an FPGA, as per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1chipMSX

Unless the FPGA is very limited, at least MSX2+ compatibility should be available. I would not be surprised if it could do Turbo R as well.

BTW, I wonder if there are easily available notebook shells for sensible prices that could fit a small ARM board and a reasonable screen. An RPi 5 or some of its competitors can power a lot of interesting emulators, not only for games, but for historical research and preservation.

Re: Msxbook OneChipMSX MSX2 Computer

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Wonder if it can run https://www.symbos.org/

It should be able to - this is running the OneChipMSX FPGA core, and I've had SymbOS running on the MiST port of that core in the past.

Unless the FPGA is smaller than the 1ChipMSX, it could load the uMSX and go up to MSX2+. Certainly enough for a SymbOS environment.

I'm curious, however, how it manages disks. MSX-DOS didn't have support for subdirectories, so I'm assuming a lot of different hard disk and floppy images would end up being visible.

My MP/M emulated Altair Docker image has 8 1MB floppies and 2 5MB hard disks. And, of course, no subdirectories (unless you count USER areas).

Re: Msxbook OneChipMSX MSX2 Computer

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Genuine question: is this actually useful without a cartridge slot? I thought that the MSX kind of depended on cartridges.

It has slots. But anyway you do bot need slots at all. MSX was mostly tapes at that time. I’m sure there is either a simulator, or you can generate the sound from binary files.

All MSX games I had came in cartridges. Only the erm... "alternative" ones came in tapes. Or floppies later.

Most MSX2 machines had built-in floppies and the software made for them tended to depend on them.

Re: Msxbook OneChipMSX MSX2 Computer

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This looks delightful. Is it possible to get it to boot to BASIC? I really want to get my son something which looks like daddy's laptop but recreates some of the early joys of that level of computing.

If it is msx it boots to basic. By definition.

Unless it boots from a floppy image - then it goes into MSX-DOS.

I think. It's been a very long time.

Re: Msxbook OneChipMSX MSX2 Computer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems based on OneChipMSX, that is from 2006. Just with that I wouldn't really know what I'm buying.

I'd assume it's an FPGA, as per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1chipMSX Unless the FPGA is very limited, at least MSX2+ compatibility should be available. I would not be surprised if it could do Turbo R as well. BTW, I wonder if there are easily available notebook shells for sensible prices that could fit a small ARM board and a reasonable screen. An RPi 5 or some of its competitors can power a lot of interesting emul…

I have indeed been looking at that and there are nice 3d printable ones and, which is easier but less customizable, very cheap old laptops.
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