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The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by iterateoften »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #98
sangnoir wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TV OEMs tried to make 3D home entertainment a thing over a decade ago, and it was a failure. Has the environment changed enough to make a difference? I have my doubts, even though the average Internet bandwidth has gone up, at least 3D TV was nominally a shared social activity.

It's more Tha the tech improved. It's a way better feeling than any 3d projection and it's able to be interacted with. The main issue is adoption. They aren't cheap enough that you'll simply gather a family around to play locally. At best you communicate online and experience it through peers from afar.

One of the biggest reasons 3D tv failed is the lack of socializing while using it. You were required to have glasses for each person watching which limited the ability to use in group settings.

This makes that problem even worse.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by tantalor »

itishappy wrote: post #65
graypegg wrote: post #21

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I think they're talking about a VR POV that's courtside more like a normal VR experience, rather than this perspective "above" the stadium

Oh. Fair concern, but it does that too. > Tabletop shows in addition to the 2D livestream view you see floating in front of you as a large virtual screen, giving you the benefits of both.

No, I don't want a big 2d screen... I just want the virtual court side experience.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by itishappy »

tantalor wrote: post #102
itishappy wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh. Fair concern, but it does that too. > Tabletop shows in addition to the 2D livestream view you see floating in front of you as a large virtual screen, giving you the benefits of both.

No, I don't want a big 2d screen... I just want the virtual court side experience.

Oh, then I'm just dumb. Thanks for explaining!

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by 1shooner »

dylan604 wrote: post #87
asadotzler wrote: post #78

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30-60 cameras and expert producers with years of experience broadcasting live NBA games. The NBA will NEVER upgrade their nation-wide broadcast kit, billions of dollars, for about 100K strap-on facial PC users. It's just not gonna happen.

it wouldn't need to be 30-60 cameras. so if you want to have a serious discussion, let's put down the ridiculous comments about something you clearly have no experience with. from the demo, it's a stationary seat for a VR user. so in the VR experience, everyone will be sitting in that exact same seat. for 3D, you only need 2 lenses. for 3D VR in a 360° experience you need more, but much fewer cameras than 30-60. the…

>from the demo, it's a stationary seat for a VR user. so in the VR experience, everyone will be sitting in that exact same seat.

From other videos of the app, you can see the viewer isn't bound to any specific position. It appears to track enough skeleton key-points per player in full 3d to reconstruct them as models. Maybe they are skinning them from video but it doesn't really look like it.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by the_sleaze_ »

ugh123 wrote: post #26
wkirby wrote: post #13

I don't enjoy basketball and I think the Vision Pro is a crazy stupid product --- but this does look cool as hell. Let me know when they make it work with a real sport.

What's a real sport?

Combat sports are legitimately greatly improved by VR. Football, futbol, cricket, baseball etc all best watched on TV. I've never enjoyed sitting on the field as much as a few rows above in the stands and VR would replicate that - in the best scenario of VR.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by mmooss »

moron4hire wrote: post #84
mmooss wrote: post #83

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What about Microsoft's AR goggles for soldiers? DoD has been investing in that for years and through multiple iterations; iirc it's been fielded for tests and is moving steadily toward production. I saw a headline that someone else was buying it from Microsoft for billions of dollars, so it seems to be worth something.

Excellent example of neo-IBM syndrome. Soldiers have complained about IVAS being too heavy and making them sick. But nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft. It's been going for years and, honestly, anyone honest with experience with Hololens predicted its demise on day one. Anduril is the company buying IVAS. Founded by Palmer Luckey, who also founded Oculus. Unfortunately, he was never really the technical brain…

> Soldiers have complained about IVAS being too heavy and making them sick.

That was feedback on an earlier test and iirc those bugs were/are addressed with later versions. Of course there are going to be bugs as the product is developed.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by johnnyanmac »

iterateoften wrote: post #101
johnnyanmac wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more Tha the tech improved. It's a way better feeling than any 3d projection and it's able to be interacted with. The main issue is adoption. They aren't cheap enough that you'll simply gather a family around to play locally. At best you communicate online and experience it through peers from afar.

One of the biggest reasons 3D tv failed is the lack of socializing while using it. You were required to have glasses for each person watching which limited the ability to use in group settings. This makes that problem even worse.

It didn't let you socialize because you needed to keep an exact angle. There's no restriction with VR since you can portray an avatar or person. So thars mitigated.

It's more a matter that VR is expensive and still not small enough to he accessible.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by syndicatedjelly »

ugh123 wrote: post #26
wkirby wrote: post #13

I don't enjoy basketball and I think the Vision Pro is a crazy stupid product --- but this does look cool as hell. Let me know when they make it work with a real sport.

What's a real sport?

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