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Re: Fewer students are enrolling in doctoral degrees

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Post by TypingOutBugs »

Amezarak wrote: post #358
mnky9800n wrote: post #352

Incidentally if you are interested in doing a PhD the University of oslo has 64 open phd and postdoc positions currently. PhDs will get a competitive salary (typically something like 50-55k USD/year, this is much higher than anything in USA for example), free healthcare, pension, in the first year you qualify for cheap student housing if you have moved from abroad, and tbh, Norway is kind of nice to live in in my opi…

> (typically something like 50-55k USD/year, this is much higher than anything in USA for example), This is not my experience (close friend in a flyover state makes 55k), so I googled and found this website: https://postdocsalaries.com/results 55k looks to be well within the normal range of American postdoc salaries.

My wife earned that as a postdoc at Stanford, but as a PhD in Oxford earned £14k per year. $55k as a PhD is really really good.

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Post by windward »

sweeter wrote: post #264
jackcosgrove wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. More people have a desire to advance our understanding than have the ability to advance our understanding.

The desire to do something and understand something is the root of everything, and who are to preemptively decide who has that capability? What a pompous thing to say. On top of that you are operating on the assumption that it matters. If someone wants to learn, they should be able to learn. I guarantee you that we as a society have stifled people who would be this generations Einstein so to speak.

Insufficient patent office jobs?

The money stifles. There's not enough money for everyone who wants a Very Large Array of their own. People don't have money to sit around thinking all day. There needs to be some system of deciding priority. The profit incentive is the only reason any science dependent on HPC and GPUs is possible. If you want more science, you need more economic growth.

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Post by kgwgk »

throw098320923 wrote: post #376
kgwgk wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In EU to get ANY money out of pension, you have to work like 30 years at the very same country (not EU). Quite far from the truth. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/work/retire-abroad/sta... Eligibility periods In some EU countries, you must have worked for a minimum period of time to be entitled to a pension. In such cases, the pension authority has to take into account all the periods you've worked in other E…

> to assess whether you're entitled to a pension But that is what I am talking about! Maybe you get something, maybe not! And nobody knows if Norway will be in EU in 30 years from now! This is not a stake where you get 10% share of your pension, for working there 3 years (10% of 30 years), but very vague promise. > all the periods you've worked in other EU countries What if I worked OUTSIDE of EU? I worked 15 years i…

> But that is what I am talking about! Maybe you get something, maybe not!

You wrote that in the European Union (nothing to do with Norway) you don’t get ANY (your uppercase) money if you don’t work « like 30 years » at the « very same » country. If you don’t stand by what your wrote so much better because it was false.

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Post by viraptor »

w-hn wrote: post #357
mnky9800n wrote: post #352

Incidentally if you are interested in doing a PhD the University of oslo has 64 open phd and postdoc positions currently. PhDs will get a competitive salary (typically something like 50-55k USD/year, this is much higher than anything in USA for example), free healthcare, pension, in the first year you qualify for cheap student housing if you have moved from abroad, and tbh, Norway is kind of nice to live in in my opi…

> don't mind the darkness This was weirdly exciting and depressing at the same time :) What are the chances in trying to go for a non-STEM Masters/PhD (or higher studies in general) in Norway (or one of "those" countries) after studying E for UG and then working in E for more than a decade (in the third world) and having no other experience at all? Or anywhere for that matter? Is there a way to go about it? (Now, thi…

> This was weirdly exciting and depressing at the same time :)

And, depending on how far north you go, should be taken seriously. In Iceland, out of my exchange students cohort of ~10, once the winter hit, one had to escape home and two were hospitalised after too much drinking. It can be a really tough experience, especially when you don't have close friends/family to contact and lose track of time.

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Post by kgwgk »

throw098320923 wrote: post #376
kgwgk wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In EU to get ANY money out of pension, you have to work like 30 years at the very same country (not EU). Quite far from the truth. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/work/retire-abroad/sta... Eligibility periods In some EU countries, you must have worked for a minimum period of time to be entitled to a pension. In such cases, the pension authority has to take into account all the periods you've worked in other E…

> to assess whether you're entitled to a pension But that is what I am talking about! Maybe you get something, maybe not! And nobody knows if Norway will be in EU in 30 years from now! This is not a stake where you get 10% share of your pension, for working there 3 years (10% of 30 years), but very vague promise. > all the periods you've worked in other EU countries What if I worked OUTSIDE of EU? I worked 15 years i…

> Now I am freeloader and get NOTHING!!!

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/freeload...

a person who uses money, food, a room in a house, etc. given by other people, but who gives nothing to them in exchange

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Post by mrighele »

throw098320923 wrote: post #376
kgwgk wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In EU to get ANY money out of pension, you have to work like 30 years at the very same country (not EU). Quite far from the truth. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/work/retire-abroad/sta... Eligibility periods In some EU countries, you must have worked for a minimum period of time to be entitled to a pension. In such cases, the pension authority has to take into account all the periods you've worked in other E…

> to assess whether you're entitled to a pension But that is what I am talking about! Maybe you get something, maybe not! And nobody knows if Norway will be in EU in 30 years from now! This is not a stake where you get 10% share of your pension, for working there 3 years (10% of 30 years), but very vague promise. > all the periods you've worked in other EU countries What if I worked OUTSIDE of EU? I worked 15 years i…

> But that is what I am talking about! Maybe you get something, maybe not! And nobody knows if Norway will be in EU in 30 years from now!

I don't know the specific case of the US and Norway, but some EU countries have extra bilateral agreements with non-EU countries. Italy for example has agreements with countries all around the world (among them the U.S.).

If you are worried that you may not get your money in 30 years, other agreements give the person going back to his home country the right to get back the money that he gave to the pension fund (this include the U.S.).

Now, this depends on the country, but I wouldn't discount the destination without checking first.

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Post by RobotToaster »

mnky9800n wrote: post #352

Incidentally if you are interested in doing a PhD the University of oslo has 64 open phd and postdoc positions currently. PhDs will get a competitive salary (typically something like 50-55k USD/year, this is much higher than anything in USA for example), free healthcare, pension, in the first year you qualify for cheap student housing if you have moved from abroad, and tbh, Norway is kind of nice to live in in my opi…

I assume having to learn Norwegian is a small issue?

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Post by throw098320923 »

kgwgk wrote: post #383
throw098320923 wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to assess whether you're entitled to a pension But that is what I am talking about! Maybe you get something, maybe not! And nobody knows if Norway will be in EU in 30 years from now! This is not a stake where you get 10% share of your pension, for working there 3 years (10% of 30 years), but very vague promise. > all the periods you've worked in other EU countries What if I worked OUTSIDE of EU? I worked 15 years i…

> But that is what I am talking about! Maybe you get something, maybe not! You wrote that in the European Union (nothing to do with Norway) you don’t get ANY (your uppercase) money if you don’t work « like 30 years » at the « very same » country. If you don’t stand by what your wrote so much better because it was false.

blablabla, I know PhD from Asia, who worked in Norway for 5 years. Their take is any money they get from pension is a bonus. They may get lucky to break even, without counting 24 years of inflation!

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Post by throw098320923 »

mrighele wrote: post #386
throw098320923 wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to assess whether you're entitled to a pension But that is what I am talking about! Maybe you get something, maybe not! And nobody knows if Norway will be in EU in 30 years from now! This is not a stake where you get 10% share of your pension, for working there 3 years (10% of 30 years), but very vague promise. > all the periods you've worked in other EU countries What if I worked OUTSIDE of EU? I worked 15 years i…

> But that is what I am talking about! Maybe you get something, maybe not! And nobody knows if Norway will be in EU in 30 years from now! I don't know the specific case of the US and Norway, but some EU countries have extra bilateral agreements with non-EU countries. Italy for example has agreements with countries all around the world (among them the U.S.). If you are worried that you may not get your money in 30 yea…

> If you are worried ... other agreements

I am not worried. I am saying there is no contract that says you get X in N years! Maybe that maybe something, but it is very vague promise.

Re: Fewer students are enrolling in doctoral degrees

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Post by throw098320923 »

kgwgk wrote: post #385
throw098320923 wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to assess whether you're entitled to a pension But that is what I am talking about! Maybe you get something, maybe not! And nobody knows if Norway will be in EU in 30 years from now! This is not a stake where you get 10% share of your pension, for working there 3 years (10% of 30 years), but very vague promise. > all the periods you've worked in other EU countries What if I worked OUTSIDE of EU? I worked 15 years i…

> Now I am freeloader and get NOTHING!!! https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/freeload... a person who uses money, food, a room in a house, etc. given by other people, but who gives nothing to them in exchange

Yes, and because you only worked there 15 years, you did nothing and are freeloader!

Read laws, locals who only worked 15 years are also not entitled!

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