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Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by brabel »

gizmo wrote: post #48
mihaaly wrote: post #39

The sensitive readers please be advised, quite a bit of a rant and angry reactions coming in an overreacting style, please stop here if you are of the sensitive type. The comments are unrelated to this particular product but aimed at the universal approach of the broad topic nowadays. Zero intent of offending anyone specific person is attempted. I am fed up with all these predicting what I want to do. Badly!! Don't g…

If you fight the system you're not going to have a good time. For incremental improvements (faster grep, mixed-language syntax highlighting) you get the benefits for free. You don't have to change anything about the way you work. Revolutionary/disruptive technologies are not like that. They demand that the world adapts to them. They demand you change. Almost anywhere you can go by foot you can get faster with a horse…

> And adapt we did. We paved the world and are better for it.

I don't know, it must've been awesome going everywhere mounted on a powerful live animal, not being limited to roads, feeling the fresh air, not destroying the planet.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

#62

Post by card_zero »

brabel wrote: post #61
gizmo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you fight the system you're not going to have a good time. For incremental improvements (faster grep, mixed-language syntax highlighting) you get the benefits for free. You don't have to change anything about the way you work. Revolutionary/disruptive technologies are not like that. They demand that the world adapts to them. They demand you change. Almost anywhere you can go by foot you can get faster with a horse…

> And adapt we did. We paved the world and are better for it. I don't know, it must've been awesome going everywhere mounted on a powerful live animal, not being limited to roads, feeling the fresh air, not destroying the planet.

I don't need insurance, I don't need no parkin' space

And if you try to clamp my horse, he'll kick you in the face

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

#63

Post by nprateem »

gizmo wrote: post #48
mihaaly wrote: post #39

The sensitive readers please be advised, quite a bit of a rant and angry reactions coming in an overreacting style, please stop here if you are of the sensitive type. The comments are unrelated to this particular product but aimed at the universal approach of the broad topic nowadays. Zero intent of offending anyone specific person is attempted. I am fed up with all these predicting what I want to do. Badly!! Don't g…

If you fight the system you're not going to have a good time. For incremental improvements (faster grep, mixed-language syntax highlighting) you get the benefits for free. You don't have to change anything about the way you work. Revolutionary/disruptive technologies are not like that. They demand that the world adapts to them. They demand you change. Almost anywhere you can go by foot you can get faster with a horse…

Constant interruptions aren't free though. They break your train of thought knocking you out of flow.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

#64

Post by wruza »

gizmo wrote: post #48
mihaaly wrote: post #39

The sensitive readers please be advised, quite a bit of a rant and angry reactions coming in an overreacting style, please stop here if you are of the sensitive type. The comments are unrelated to this particular product but aimed at the universal approach of the broad topic nowadays. Zero intent of offending anyone specific person is attempted. I am fed up with all these predicting what I want to do. Badly!! Don't g…

If you fight the system you're not going to have a good time. For incremental improvements (faster grep, mixed-language syntax highlighting) you get the benefits for free. You don't have to change anything about the way you work. Revolutionary/disruptive technologies are not like that. They demand that the world adapts to them. They demand you change. Almost anywhere you can go by foot you can get faster with a horse…

Revolutionary/disruptive technologies are not like that. They demand that the world adapts to them. They demand you change.

That’s just coping for “my revolutionary technology is a pile of crap around the main feature that barely works”, imo.

AI tools are amazing. You just have to approach them with a beginner's mindset.

Makes no sense when they still fail at the job. Mindset doesn’t change reality, only your relation to it. You’re suggesting to like bullshit cause you learned to like it. AI tools are at best mediocre, just like a huge part of people who benefit from these, and their creations.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by hereonout2 »

sarosh wrote: post #46

Interesting that the underlying model, a LoRA fine-tune of Qwen2.5-Coder-32B, relies on synthetic data from Claude[1]: But we had a classic chicken-and-egg problem—we needed data to train the model, but we didn't have any real examples yet. So we started by having Claude generate about 50 synthetic examples that we added to our dataset. We then used that initial fine-tune to ship an early version of Zeta behind a fea…

Yes this is very interesting!

The hardware, tooling and time required to do a LoRa fine tune like this are extremely accessible.

Financially this is also not a big expense and I assume would have cost in the order of $100s of dollars in GPU rentals, possibly less if you ignore experimentation time.

So what is a barrier to entry here? The data? Well they didn't have that either so automatically generated a dataset of just 500 examples to achieve the task.

I'm sure they spent some time on that but again it doesn't sound an incredibly challenging task.

It's worth realising if you've not delved into fine tuning llms before. In terms of time, scale and financial costs there is a world of difference between building a product like this and building a base model.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by mstade »

lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

> - You can only run one LSP per file type, so your Rust will work fine, your C++, too, your Angular will not.

As a web developer that's an immediate deal breaker. I use Sublime today and being able to run multiple LSP servers per file is a huge boon, it turns a very capable text editor into a total powerhouse. The way it's set up in Sublime with configuration options that can be applied very broadly or very specifically, while having defaults that just works is also just incredible.

While I'm super pleased with Sublime and a happy paying customer since at least a decade, and at this rate may well be for another decase, I'm always keeping my ear to the ground for other editors if nothing else just to stay current. Zed's been looking pretty cool, but things like this will keep me from even just trying it. There's years of muscle memory and momentum built up in my editor choice, I'm not switching on whim.

Thank you very much for sharing this nugget of gold!

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by card_zero »

madmulita wrote: post #60
boxed wrote: post #3

I tried CoPilot a while and my biggest gripe was tab for accepting the suggestion. I very often got a ton of AI garbage when I was just trying to indent some code. Tab just doesn't seem like the proper interface for something like this.

Don't give them ideas! I can already see the useless AI key next to Fn in my next keyboard.

That already happened, just over a year ago, we have Copilot keys now.

I guess it invokes the AI rather than controling it, maybe there'll be another key soon.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by powerhugs »

lionkor wrote: post #45
mihaaly wrote: post #39

The sensitive readers please be advised, quite a bit of a rant and angry reactions coming in an overreacting style, please stop here if you are of the sensitive type. The comments are unrelated to this particular product but aimed at the universal approach of the broad topic nowadays. Zero intent of offending anyone specific person is attempted. I am fed up with all these predicting what I want to do. Badly!! Don't g…

I find that AI autocomplete, even autocompleting full functions, is capable enough to use. I need to review all my code in detail before pushing, and I need to write unit tests, and I need to "run it once" test it also. It gets it mostly right most of the time, and often times it quite literally suggests what I was about to type. This is mostly in Rust and C#, maybe other languages have more of a hurdle for AI.

So it can rust now? That's impressive!

Last time I tried it had no way of valid rust code beyond hello-world level, constantly producing code that failed the borrow checker.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by ljm »

fhd2 wrote: post #29
ljm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually wish more editors had emacs style indenting where hitting tab anywhere on the line would re-indent it or otherwise cycle through indent levels if it was unclear, especially because you’re unlikely to get copilot suggestions in the middle of a word. Plus, it doesn’t break if there’s a syntax error elsewhere in the file.

It's one of those weird Emacs things that you get _so_ used to that everything else seems to waste your time. Using code formatters and formatting on save or with a shortcut is OK, but not really the same to me. That's probably why I'm stuck with Emacs: 1. No need to use the mouse. 2. Extremely efficient keyboard usage (maybe not the most efficient, but compared with common IDEs, certainly). Makes it feel like I'm ac…

Exactly, and sometimes I don't want to save a file just for indentation to happen as a side-effect, especially if I can do `C-x H TAB` to correctly re-indent the entire thing.

That's particularly more helpful when some formatters will actually rewrite your code to either break lines up or squish things back into a one-liner.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

saghm wrote: post #54
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't indentation 'non deterministic' in Python? E.g. if I have the following: if (foo): bar() hum() how can anything other than a human decide if that 3rd line should be indented as it is or by one more level?

Even humans have trouble with that sometimes: https://www.blackduck.com/blog/understanding-apple-goto-fail...

Although, not in Python of course! :)
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