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Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by foldr »

kennysoona wrote: post #269
foldr wrote: post #267

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How many people have been imprisoned for that? If we’ve had a decade of being an Orwellian police state, it should be quite a few people, no?

The fact that you have the law itself is pretty troubling. And some of the protestors at the coronation of Charles were pretty blatant. And all the examples of police showing up because of a tweet, often not even hateful just not falling in line sufficiently with rightthink.

Lots of things are troubling. I am complaining about wild exaggerations, not saying that there is nothing to worry about or that the UK is perfect.

Unfortunately a lot of people are getting their news from Twitter, from accounts that are obsessed with painting a particular picture of the UK. Have you spent any time in the UK yourself? The impression of it that you’d get from reading HN is unrecognizable to anyone who lives here.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by kennysoona »

foldr wrote: post #271
kennysoona wrote: post #269

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The fact that you have the law itself is pretty troubling. And some of the protestors at the coronation of Charles were pretty blatant. And all the examples of police showing up because of a tweet, often not even hateful just not falling in line sufficiently with rightthink.

Lots of things are troubling. I am complaining about wild exaggerations, not saying that there is nothing to worry about or that the UK is perfect. Unfortunately a lot of people are getting their news from Twitter, from accounts that are obsessed with painting a particular picture of the UK. Have you spent any time in the UK yourself? The impression of it that you’d get from reading HN is unrecognizable to anyone who…

I don't disagree that there are wild exaggerations being made, my point was just that the UK seems further along the path than its peers.

> Have you spent any time in the UK yourself? The impression of it that you’d get from reading HN is unrecognizable to anyone who lives here.

I lived in Scotland for a while and have been to London often enough. It's it's mostly just a normal country, but things can change slowly until all of a sudden it's unavoidable. The cops showing up to peoples houses for opinions tweets is certainly frequent and concerning.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by foldr »

kennysoona wrote: post #272
foldr wrote: post #271

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Lots of things are troubling. I am complaining about wild exaggerations, not saying that there is nothing to worry about or that the UK is perfect. Unfortunately a lot of people are getting their news from Twitter, from accounts that are obsessed with painting a particular picture of the UK. Have you spent any time in the UK yourself? The impression of it that you’d get from reading HN is unrecognizable to anyone who…

I don't disagree that there are wild exaggerations being made, my point was just that the UK seems further along the path than its peers. > Have you spent any time in the UK yourself? The impression of it that you’d get from reading HN is unrecognizable to anyone who lives here. I lived in Scotland for a while and have been to London often enough. It's it's mostly just a normal country, but things can change slowly u…

Are you not wildly exaggerating when you suggest that the ‘cops’ frequently show up at people’s houses based on things that they’ve tweeted? There aren’t even enough police officers in the UK for this to be feasible if they wanted to do it.

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Post by hnlmorg »

kennysoona wrote: post #272
foldr wrote: post #271

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Lots of things are troubling. I am complaining about wild exaggerations, not saying that there is nothing to worry about or that the UK is perfect. Unfortunately a lot of people are getting their news from Twitter, from accounts that are obsessed with painting a particular picture of the UK. Have you spent any time in the UK yourself? The impression of it that you’d get from reading HN is unrecognizable to anyone who…

I don't disagree that there are wild exaggerations being made, my point was just that the UK seems further along the path than its peers. > Have you spent any time in the UK yourself? The impression of it that you’d get from reading HN is unrecognizable to anyone who lives here. I lived in Scotland for a while and have been to London often enough. It's it's mostly just a normal country, but things can change slowly u…

You say that but I’ve shared several examples of the same things happening in other countries like America too.

So I don’t think the UK is any further along in that regard.

There are other areas where the UK is further along though. Such as CCTV surveillance in London. There are also areas where the UK is far less Orwellian, for example our open-mindedness about abortion and gender identity.

The UK’s legal system isn’t just defined by what Musk tweets about. ;)

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by kennysoona »

foldr wrote: post #273
kennysoona wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree that there are wild exaggerations being made, my point was just that the UK seems further along the path than its peers. > Have you spent any time in the UK yourself? The impression of it that you’d get from reading HN is unrecognizable to anyone who lives here. I lived in Scotland for a while and have been to London often enough. It's it's mostly just a normal country, but things can change slowly u…

Are you not wildly exaggerating when you suggest that the ‘cops’ frequently show up at people’s houses based on things that they’ve tweeted? There aren’t even enough police officers in the UK for this to be feasible if they wanted to do it.

I didn't mean to imply that it's happening any time anyone tweet something, but there have been an alarming number of cases of cops showing up at peoples houses for tweets they've made. A far greater number than anything happening in other western countries, which doesn't even have anything close to compare it to.

Just to be clear, even 20 times is significant here, I think the actual number is much higher, but even a low number as 20 is concerning when the tweets don't promote violence, terrorism, CSASM or anything illegal.

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Post by kennysoona »

hnlmorg wrote: post #274
kennysoona wrote: post #272

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I don't disagree that there are wild exaggerations being made, my point was just that the UK seems further along the path than its peers. > Have you spent any time in the UK yourself? The impression of it that you’d get from reading HN is unrecognizable to anyone who lives here. I lived in Scotland for a while and have been to London often enough. It's it's mostly just a normal country, but things can change slowly u…

You say that but I’ve shared several examples of the same things happening in other countries like America too. So I don’t think the UK is any further along in that regard. There are other areas where the UK is further along though. Such as CCTV surveillance in London. There are also areas where the UK is far less Orwellian, for example our open-mindedness about abortion and gender identity. The UK’s legal system isn…

> You say that but I’ve shared several examples of the same things happening in other countries like America too.

You've shown some protestors getting arrested, but I don't believe you can show any equivalent of cops acting as thought police for tweets.

> for example our open-mindedness about abortion and gender identity.

Funny you say that, because there isn't so much open-mindedness as a forced viewpoint. I'm trans, FWIW, but I don't at all agree with sending cops to peoples houses because a ciswoman has doubts about accepting a transwoman completely as a woman.

I'd also say it's other western countries being compared to here, and I don't think the UK is particularly further ahead than other first world nations, aside from the US where it is very much a red/blue state issue.

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Post by ta1243 »

danielbln wrote: post #167
ta1243 wrote: post #156

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You might think you're safe because you don't carry a phone, never upload a photo, etc. You drove across the country in a car you paid cash for while bemoaning cameras that catch you speeding, in the name of "privacy". Meanwhile meta knows exactly where you are as their face recognition attached it to your shadow profile when someone took a selfie with you in the background, you were seen on a ring doorbell by amazon…

They all do though. Do you think the government isn't tapping the genetic databases of 23andme and Ancestry? Or the bottomless data out that is Gmail. Or iCloud. Or Gmaps location data. I'd rather not decide who is the worse privacy offender, companies or governments, and best restrict both to a need-to-know basis.

They wouldn't be able to tap those databases if those private companies didn't make them in the first place.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by foldr »

kennysoona wrote: post #275
foldr wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you not wildly exaggerating when you suggest that the ‘cops’ frequently show up at people’s houses based on things that they’ve tweeted? There aren’t even enough police officers in the UK for this to be feasible if they wanted to do it.

I didn't mean to imply that it's happening any time anyone tweet something, but there have been an alarming number of cases of cops showing up at peoples houses for tweets they've made. A far greater number than anything happening in other western countries, which doesn't even have anything close to compare it to. Just to be clear, even 20 times is significant here, I think the actual number is much higher, but even…

What exactly is it that you are saying has happened 20 times? Described in objective terms, not using vague and emotive language like “thought police”, etc etc.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by kennysoona »

foldr wrote: post #279
kennysoona wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't mean to imply that it's happening any time anyone tweet something, but there have been an alarming number of cases of cops showing up at peoples houses for tweets they've made. A far greater number than anything happening in other western countries, which doesn't even have anything close to compare it to. Just to be clear, even 20 times is significant here, I think the actual number is much higher, but even…

What exactly is it that you are saying has happened 20 times? Described in objective terms, not using vague and emotive language like “thought police”, etc etc.

People in the UK tweeted something online that didn't break any laws.

Police showed up to question them.

Many of the tweets in question were around gender identity, but were not directly hateful let alone offensive to the point cops need be involved.

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