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Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

#11

This looks a lot more impressive than a lot of GitHub Copilot alternatives I've seen. I wonder how hard it would be to port this to vscode - using remote models for inline completion always seemed wrong to me, especially with server latency and network issues

Based on the blogpost, this appears to be hosted remotely on baseten. The model just happens to be released openly, so you can also download it, but the blogpost doesn't talk about any intention to help you run it locally within the editor. (I agree that would be cool, I'm just commenting on what I see in the article.)

On the other hand, network latency itself isn't really that big of a deal... a more powerful GPU server in the cloud can typically run so much faster that it can make up for the added network latency and then some. Running locally is really about privacy and offline use cases, not performance, in my opinion.

If you want to try local tab completions, the Continue plugin for VSCode is a good way to try that, but the Zeta model is the first open model that I'm aware of that is more advanced than just FIM.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

#13
Good, charge for Zed and secure its future.

I'm becoming more and more wanting to use Zed every day, and shifting away from other editors whenever possible. Some LSP implementations are lacking... But it's getting damn close!

I love the new release every week. Zed is my recent love, and Ghostty which is also stellar.

Hanging by a thread for some sort of lldb/gdb integration with breakpoints and inspection! Hopefully some day, without becoming a bag of turd.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

#14
post #8

> zeta won't be free forever Well that's a bummer, but also very understandable. I hope they don't make the hop too early, because I still want to grow into Zed before throw my wallet at them. So far it's very promising!

But Zeta model is open source, so I suppose you could run it locally if you want. I didn't tried it yet, but I suppose that's their intention by open sourcing it.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

#16
post #3

I tried CoPilot a while and my biggest gripe was tab for accepting the suggestion. I very often got a ton of AI garbage when I was just trying to indent some code. Tab just doesn't seem like the proper interface for something like this.

After using Prettier to format my code and turning on format-on-save, I pretty much don’t use the tab key anymore. This doesn’t invalidate your point, - I am merely guessing as to why the tab key seemingly has been reassigned.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

#17

This looks a lot more impressive than a lot of GitHub Copilot alternatives I've seen. I wonder how hard it would be to port this to vscode - using remote models for inline completion always seemed wrong to me, especially with server latency and network issues

Based on the blogpost, this appears to be hosted remotely on baseten. The model just happens to be released openly, so you can also download it, but the blogpost doesn't talk about any intention to help you run it locally within the editor. (I agree that would be cool, I'm just commenting on what I see in the article.) On the other hand, network latency itself isn't really that big of a deal... a more powerful GPU se…

I'm stuck using somewhat unreliable starlink to a datacenter ~90ms away, but I can run 7b models fine locally. I agree though, cloud completions aren't unusably slow/unreliable for me, it's mostly about privacy and it being really fun.

I tried continue a few times, I could never get consistent results, the models were just too dumb. That's why I'm excited about this model, it seems like a better approach to inline completion and might be the first okay enough™ model for me. Either way, I don't think I can replace copilot until a model can automatically fine tune itself in the background on the code I've written

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

#18
post #3

I tried CoPilot a while and my biggest gripe was tab for accepting the suggestion. I very often got a ton of AI garbage when I was just trying to indent some code. Tab just doesn't seem like the proper interface for something like this.

Ctrl+Return works quite well for me in IntelliJ.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

#19
Two immediate issues that I noticed:

1. If I make a change, then undo, so that change was never made, it still seems to be in the edit history passed to the model, so the model is interested in predicting that change again. This felt too aggressive... maybe the very last edit should be forgotten if it is immediately undone. Maybe only edits that exist against the git diff should be kept... but perhaps that is too limiting.

2. It doesn't seem like the model is getting enough context. The editor would ideally be supplying the model with type hints for the variables in the current context, and based on those type hints being put into the context, it would also pull in some type definitions. (I was testing this on a Go project.) As it is, the model was clearly doing the best it could with the information available, but it needed to be given more information. Related, I wonder if the prediction could be performed in a loop. When the model suggests some code, the editor could "apply" that change so that the language server can see it, and if the language server finds an error in the prediction, the model could be given the error and asked to make another prediction.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on the blogpost, this appears to be hosted remotely on baseten. The model just happens to be released openly, so you can also download it, but the blogpost doesn't talk about any intention to help you run it locally within the editor. (I agree that would be cool, I'm just commenting on what I see in the article.) On the other hand, network latency itself isn't really that big of a deal... a more powerful GPU se…

I'm stuck using somewhat unreliable starlink to a datacenter ~90ms away, but I can run 7b models fine locally. I agree though, cloud completions aren't unusably slow/unreliable for me, it's mostly about privacy and it being really fun. I tried continue a few times, I could never get consistent results, the models were just too dumb. That's why I'm excited about this model, it seems like a better approach to inline co…

> Either way, I don't think I can replace copilot until a model can automatically fine tune itself in the background on the code I've written

I don't think Copilot does this... it's really just a matter of the editor plug-in being smart enough to grab all of the relevant context and provide that to the model making the completions; a form of RAG. I believe organizations can pay to fine-tune Copilot, but it sounds more involved than something that happens automatically.

Depending on when you tried Continue last, one would hope that their RAG pipeline has improved over time. I tried it a few months ago and I thought codegemma-2b (base) acting as a code completion model was fine... certainly not as good as what I've experienced with Cursor. I haven't tried GitHub Copilot in over a year... I really should try it again and see how it is these days.

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