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Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by troad »

This the functional equivalent of a self-pitying LiveJournal post by a moody teen that's been called out by his friends for being a bit of a dick.

Marcan wants to use social brigading to get his way, Marcan wants the entire Linux kernel dev flow to bend for him, and, when none of his poorly presented demands get him what he wants, he is - of course - the victim here.

Asahi is neat, but it clearly isn't a working daily driver yet, and it's not abusive to make feature requests and bug reports. Discussions around Rust in the kernel are not, and can never be, an 'injustice'. In Marcan's world, everything other than vehement agreement and immediate compliance is abusive, hostile, toxic, etc. But of course, the only toxic person here is the one threatening to wield the mob to get his way.

Honestly, I'd query whether the benefit is worth the cost. I'll take average code from well-adjusted anons over clever code from bullying, hyper-online micro-influencers any day of the week.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by llama123 »

from just reading the post sounds like a shit situation for him and there is blame on the linux kernel maintainers for not handling it well. Especially if the claim about them going behind his back and shit talking him is true.

What i will say, Is that i get the impression that the he is quite sensitive and takes things too personally which is a death wish online. People are savage online and if you don't have thick skin then they will destroy you. Not justifying it but it is what it is

Either way hope all goes well for him. Sad to see this happen i bought a m2 mac because of linux support :(

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by unrealhoang »

znpy wrote: post #491
ants_everywhere wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The speaker doesn't understand the audience question and doesn't respond to it. The audience member points out that they shouldn't encode the semantics into the Rust type system because that would mean that refactoring the C code breaks Rust, which is not an acceptable situation. The speaker responds to this by saying essentially "tell me what the semantics are and I'll encode them in the Rust type system." That's ma…

> I have to say that I used to be excited about Rust, but the Rust community seems very toxic to me. I see a lot of anger, aggression, vindictiveness, public drama, etc. I had the same impression. Why all this drama is 90% of the time around Rust people?

Because that’s all your brain are capable of recalling, the ones with Rust-tagging.

With just a google search away you can dismiss your claim of 90% but you don’t want to do it because you only believe what you want to believe.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by timeon »

zifpanachr23 wrote: post #494
Ar-Curunir wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many times will this need to be said: the Rust maintainers have committed to handling all maintenance of Rust code, and handling all breakage of their code by changes on the C side. The only "burden" the C maintainers have to carry is to CC a couple of extra people on commits when APIs change.

They've said that, but nobody believes them, and can you blame them given we JUST saw another big rust maintainer resign? I'd be suspicious these guys aren't in it for the long haul if they don't get their way and will leave the Rust they shoved in the kernel to bit rot if things don't go their way w.r.t enough rust adoption fast enough. "If you don't let us add even more rust, we will resign from the project and lea…

These people were quitting after being harassed. So I do not think you are arguing in good faith.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by cchcch »

LocutusOfBorges wrote: post #350
selectnull wrote: post #233

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I was an early donator to marcan and never expected any delivery from Asahi project, just thought that the idea of having Linux of Apple Silicon was awesome and worthy of my support. But then marcan told his supportes to fuck off unless they commit to supporting his political ideas, which I was not willing to do. I guess this comment will be seen as abuse from the HN crowd. Oh well...

> But then marcan told his supportes to fuck off unless they commit to supporting his political ideas, which I was not willing to do. Is this about Marcan’s outspoken support for transgender people? If so, why not simply say that in your comment, rather than framing it in such vague terms?

Comments like this are why people find transactivists so irritating. Whether they happen to agree with them or not. No-one even mentioned transgender issues yet here you are bringing them up to start an argument. Not everything is about trans you know.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by freehorse »

UncleEntity wrote: post #474
freehorse wrote: post #342

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I think entitlement like that is stupid and bad for open source (and everything). However, in the next paragraph the author gets into criticising the opposite position, that asahi linux was not ready for everyday use. The entitled requests came from users that thought of asahi linux as exactly covering an everyday use case, a linux distro they should be able to use to carry on their tasks. This I find contradictory.…

Thing is it will never get to be a daily driver if people don't use it and shake out the bugs. 25 years ago (huh, long time), when Windows ME pissed me off for good, linux wasn't exactly known for being a daily driver but I gave it a try and, unsurprisingly, it did become reliable over the years. Other than Gnome's propensity to make stupid changes to default settings I can't remember the last time I had to even thin…

I am talking about lack of pretty standard features, not bugs. Having more users would not help there. And in general, you dont need a huge influx of users, and you definitely you dont get as much help from users who are not going to put at least some effort in the feedback they give. You want users that are conscious enough about what they are using to give useful feedback and/or support with donations. I am pretty sure that some people still are attracted to running an experimental version of linux.

Imo modern linux experience is much better than the situation you describe, at least as long as you use certain type of hardware. In the past it was definitely harder. But wrt asahi, I want the "luxury" of using an external monitor with my 13" macbook air, and sadly, while in the past x86 machines I put linux I would put some effort and get AMD mesa drivers to work, I cannot do that here. I respect the effort put in the asahi project, but calling it suitable for a daily driver is misleading, unless you specify exactly what sort of daily driver you mean. Stuff like using an external monitor is pretty basic in my book of daily usage.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by betaby »

Modern Linux kernel is a corporate project which is open source.

It seems that it's impossible even for very talented folks to push such work load without corporate backing both without monetary compensation and other resources like non-public documentation. It is very impressive that Asahi team has achieved, but the more hardware advances, the less realistic is to support it on enthusiasm alone.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by timeon »

jodrellblank wrote: post #602
KennyBlanken wrote: post #329

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> You can literally shove facts in someone's face, and they won't admit to being wrong or misunderstand, and instead continue to argue against some points whose premise isn't even true. It's called a strawman fallacy, and like all fallacies, it's used because the user is either intellectually lazy and can't be bothered to come up with a proper argument, or there isn't a proper argument and the person they're using it…

If an honest alien says "we don't want to convert humans to our religion" that means you can have whatever religion you want. If a dishonest alien says it, it might mean "we don't want to convert humans because we are going to kill all humans", it's selectively true - they aren't going to convert us - and leaves us to imagine that we can have our own religion. But it's not the whole truth and we actually won't be abl…

And yet, you are bringing made-up analogy that suits you to the discussion.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by bogantech »

philistine wrote: post #279
qiqitori wrote: post #172

"we were still stuck without DP Alt Mode (a feature which required deep reverse engineering, debugging, and kernel surgery to pull off, and which, if it were to be implemented properly and robustly, would require a major refactor of certain kernel subsystems or perhaps even the introduction of an entirely new subsystem)." Few maintainers care about the platform in question (to whom it's more a curiosity like maybe 68…

Are you saying that PCs do not usually have the ability to plug into a monitor, to charge, and to connect to a USB hub for the rest of your devices from a single USB-C port? You guys still plug three cables each time you sit at a desk?

The problem is that Apple does DP Alt mode in a different way top everyone else, which apparently requires a large amount of changes to the kernel

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by layer8 »

Lammy wrote: post #619
ecshafer wrote: post #363

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Rust, which is a language I really enjoy, generates more social media outrage and religious wars than any other technical project I have been following for the past 20 years.

> more social media outrage and religious wars than any other technical project I have been following for the past 20 years. It is unfortunately wrapped up in larger-scale outrage culture than just within tech/programming circles. Rust as a community is very gay and very trans: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2024/02/19/2023-Rust-Annual-Surve... https://blog.rust-lang.org/2025/02/13/2024-State-Of-Rust-Sur... To be clear I…

You may be misreading these numbers. It’s effectively 7-8% of the respondents who identify as non-heterosexual, which seems roughly in line with the general population (e.g. [0]).

[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1270166/lgbt-identificat...

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